Vfox Posted December 22, 2006 Report Share Posted December 22, 2006 http://cgi.ebay.com/1795-Draped-Bust-Dolla...1QQcmdZViewItem check the guys feedback, need I say more. I wish someone would do something about these coins being sold, so much for ebay giving a hoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted December 22, 2006 Report Share Posted December 22, 2006 Seems like a Chinese who registered in the US site or some sort. Most of his dealings are with the Chinese sellers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vfox Posted December 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2006 Seems like a Chinese who registered in the US site or some sort. Most of his dealings are with the Chinese sellers. Yeah, and it's over 900 USD right now......it's sad how this is allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotten Rodney Posted December 23, 2006 Report Share Posted December 23, 2006 Suckers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotten Rodney Posted December 23, 2006 Report Share Posted December 23, 2006 Odd as to all the "private bidders". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBobo Posted December 23, 2006 Report Share Posted December 23, 2006 I guess the seller keeps the buyers ID's private so none of us good coin people can warn them that they are being suckered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccg Posted December 23, 2006 Report Share Posted December 23, 2006 When will people "buy the book" and/or get some common sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burks Posted December 23, 2006 Report Share Posted December 23, 2006 Yeah, and it's over 900 USD right now......it's sad how this is allowed. Over $2000 now. Funny how they only ship UPS, afraid of USPS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vfox Posted December 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2006 Ya know, these coins are really well made.......but in the case of this one....too well made, I don't recall ever seeing a small eagle reverse anything with nearly full breast feathers....especially while the hair is soft on the obverse. I guess the little bit of wear they put this coin through fooled most of those people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conder101 Posted December 23, 2006 Report Share Posted December 23, 2006 To me that fake is scary. It is much better quality than the typically seen counterfeits. If it wasn't for the slight porosity in the fields and a few other things I would would have thought that it was real from those pictures. The color looks pretty good as does the general style. No blatant errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vfox Posted December 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2006 To me that fake is scary. It is much better quality than the typically seen counterfeits. If it wasn't for the slight porosity in the fields and a few other things I would would have thought that it was real from those pictures. The color looks pretty good as does the general style. No blatant errors. Unlike those 1795 trade dollars! Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28Plain Posted December 25, 2006 Report Share Posted December 25, 2006 Yep, it would be hard to sell one of those to someone face to face, where they could have the coin in hand. The USDOJ is totally uninterested in busting anyone other than a US citizen in these counterfeit merchandise scams. The counterfeiters and the importers are always allowed to walk free, so long as they're Chinese, whether the merchandise is faked collectible coins or faked nike sneakers. Only if a US citizen is involved on the retail sales end of the transaction will there be an arrest. Ebay management has most likely learned this and will only invest a minimum amount of effort to discourage the use of their venue for fraudulent purposes by foreign scammers. They recently announced that all sellers of Nike products must be paypal certified starting sometime soon. They will probably never get around to doing that with coins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28Plain Posted December 25, 2006 Report Share Posted December 25, 2006 To me that fake is scary. It is much better quality than the typically seen counterfeits. If it wasn't for the slight porosity in the fields and a few other things I would would have thought that it was real from those pictures. The color looks pretty good as does the general style. No blatant errors. There are plenty of warning signs in the listing itself, too. Private bids, shipping by UPS ground, which only insures for $100, no mention of escrow service on a coin in that value range, the obvious language errors which point to a Chinese seller " If you have any question about this coin...... I will gladly reply you". Maybe there were only two shill bidders going at it against each other and the listing failed to actually catch a mullet after all. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vfox Posted December 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 Ended at $5.500.00 .....sad......but anyway here is another most likely fake coin, and this one looks MUCH better with correct edge inscriptions, but poorly made in the edge. This guys negatives are then covered up by his ebay people, check it out for yourself. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...type=osi_widget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyDiCoinGal Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 http://cgi.ebay.com/1795-Draped-Bust-Dolla...1QQcmdZViewItem check the guys feedback, need I say more. I wish someone would do something about these coins being sold, so much for ebay giving a hoot. wow ... thanks for sharing .. yep... it's far more than just viewing the percentages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bahabully Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 Ended at $5.500.00 .....sad......but anyway here is another most likely fake coin, and this one looks MUCH better with correct edge inscriptions, but poorly made in the edge. This guys negatives are then covered up by his ebay people, check it out for yourself. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...type=osi_widget What about the certified coins this seller has listed. Would you consider these suspect also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vfox Posted December 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 What about the certified coins this seller has listed. Would you consider these suspect also? Personally, yes. Anything can be "made" to look like the real thing, it's unlikely that the hologram could be faked by them, but it could just be a cracked case that is resealed. Which can be done from what I've seen. Either that or they have a few legit coins to get good ratings, and sell fake ones from time to time for some extra money. (which is my guess) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hussulo Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 Just reading through their feedback they have sold two 1877-CC trade dollars in as many weeks! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=270027339010 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=270044262097 Too the same buyer! And how could a seller from china have this many choice coins for sale? Something smells fishy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommyd Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 The Chinese trade dollars are often 22 grams instead of 27+ and the mm's always seem 'funky'. I wouldn't buy an eggroll from China... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vfox Posted December 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 http://cgi.ebay.com/1795-Draped-Bust-Dolla...1QQcmdZViewItem Another for the list. ......Anyone notice a trend with the "private bidder" crud....I thought eBay was doing away with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny 1989 Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 To be honest it looked real to me but then again 1) I live in the UK & can spot a fake £1 coin a mile off & 2) I would never pay that much for a coins anyway. What are the tell tale signs, anyone have a picture of a real coin to compare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vfox Posted December 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 http://cgi.ebay.com/1795-Draped-Bust-Dolla...1QQcmdZViewItem The guy ended the auction early for an "error in listing" ....right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syzygy Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 wow ... thanks for sharing .. yep... it's far more than just viewing the percentages There are sites (like this one) where you can just view the negatives and neutrals. Of course, I always make up my own mind as negatives vary in validity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vfox Posted January 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 http://cgi.ebay.com/1795-Silver-Dollar-Dra...1QQcmdZViewItem Just wanted to bump this back up, and add a side note for those looking for even worn examples of this that are made with this fake die combination. Take a look at the 4th and 5th stars on the left hand side. Notice there is a die break at the end of those two stars. Now look at the first coin I posted, and this one above, note the same die cracks. Beware, and be aware. And one more to add to the lists. Basically, stay away from China for US coins lol. Keep in mind, a lettered edge doesn't mean it's real! http://cgi.ebay.com/1796-Silver-Dollar-Dra...1QQcmdZViewItem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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