Tiffibunny Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 I've never really figured out how to categorize them. So I'm asking opinions. This is for the coins not the notes. I will go there seperately. For those who don't know, here's a summary of what Notgeld is... http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/5373/notgeld.htm It was not just issed by Germany, but many countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuldFartte Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 I'm going with exonumia, mainly because, if I understand the definitions I've seen (including your example), they were not issued by any government. Sort of like British Conder Tokens which were "allowed" by government for use as circulating "small change", but not minted by said government. Notgeld would fall into that category, IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akdrv Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 Hmmm... I consider them coins if they were issued by municipalities and exonumia if they were issued by another organization (transport, beer hall etc.) It's my personal definition. According to Wiki, notgeld was not a legal tender but rather a mutually accepted means of payment. Issued in coins, leather, silk, linen, stamps, aluminium foil, coal and all sorts of re-used paper and carton material (e.g. playing cards). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stujoe Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 I don/t know much abou tthem but I would tend to agree with Anton's definition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 I said something else. I think that they're a little of each. Some are coins, some are tokens. I agree with akdrv's definition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16d Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 However you catagorize them, they're highly collectable & in demand the last few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labmom Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 to me, it has always been currency guess i should have read better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28Plain Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 I voted for exonumia. Even though they were nominally official issues, notgeld and kriegsgeld were still basically tokens since they were made of common industrial materials, ( some of those materials weren't even metals) and because they were issued by local authorities which weren't actually empowered to issue money. I'd like to hear the views of others on the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiffibunny Posted June 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 Me too, that's why I asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banivechi Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 I consider Notgeld to be paper tokens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiffibunny Posted June 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 I'm strictly speaking the "coin" type, not the paper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabbs Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 I'm strictly speaking the "coin" type, not the paper. Exonumia, I think. But it is kind of difficult to draw a strict dividing line. The Jaeger catalog ("the" standard for German post-1871 coins), for example, does not list notgeld except for the pieces issued by German states or state banks. Also, there is notgeld that actually circulated, and other notgeld coins (and notes) that were produced almost exclusively for fundraising ... Christian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkmiii Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 I am not sure so I will keep reading to learn more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banivechi Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 I'm strictly speaking the "coin" type, not the paper. Porcelain notgeld are "coin" type? Casino tokens from 1920's are notgeld "coin type" or tokens? All you can consider tokens, witout problems. But... who cares? If you like them, collect them! Otherwise... give it to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiffibunny Posted June 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 I do collect them, but mostly mine are the iron "coin type". I collect the paper too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ætheling Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 I didn't even know there was such a think as coin notgeld. I always though it was those fancy notes. As for a definition, coming at this from a rather green and totally unexperienced angle in this field i'd probably say exnuwhatsit. (Can't we have a better word for that, that i can spell?) Simply put notgeld, is not real official 'regal' currency and thus accepted or not it's something other than money, so it's outside money, so it exnuwhatsit. Don't you just love solving problems semantically? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiffibunny Posted June 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 It's funny because the reason why I am asking is I was going to do a little VCM display and am trying to figure out where to put it so it offends the least amount of people. So it either goes under world coins or exonumia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28Plain Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 The iron coin issues are usually kriegsgeld , aren't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiffibunny Posted July 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 I have them with both... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16d Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 The 1st pic looks to much tokenish for me. The second looks coinish. Nice design. I have most of the Coblenz pieces, very dark only, that's history, And I love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conder101 Posted July 3, 2005 Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 < I didn't even know there was such a think as coin notgeld. > Yep, issued by municipalities, private individuals, businesses, transportation companis etc. I collect French coin notgeld, and the German municipal coins (I have over 1,200 different varieties of the German issues by Lamb numbers.) I don't do the paper notgeld at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediccoin Posted July 3, 2005 Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 OK Condor, How about some pics of you're notgeld? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sisu Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 I didn't even know there was such a think as coin notgeld. I always though it was those fancy notes. Wow! Argentum, since when did you become my spokesman? My exact thoughts also! I would lump them in with Exonumia. It sounds very much like Conder tokens and US hard luck tokens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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