IgorS Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 There are Russian medals out there from the same period also made from cast iron - they are all cast, not struck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted July 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 I'm blissfully ignorant on the subject, and thus try to avoid anything cast. I did buy a medallion from Rarenum, that he got from the last Sincona and it is listed as cast (not iron). I also came across a ton of Galvano Copies of Russian medals. So who was doing the casting and copying? I actually came across an article, that indicated that a Kutuzov medal was copied by a Soviet factory in early 80's for some event (an official state order), I think they used the Galvano method. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 Russian cast iron medals are not from the mint, but from Kasli - a Russian town famous for its cast-iron castings in the middle of the 19th century. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted July 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 Russian cast iron medals are not from the mint, but from Kasli - a Russian town famous for its cast-iron castings in the middle of the 19th century. Are they copies of mint struck medals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 Yes, they are copies. Believe it or not, I know collectors who pay good money for those. I once had one of Tolstoy medallions for the war of 1812 series made in Kasli. Very pleasant to hold - solid, clean. dark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted July 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 This one is from Sincona 7, lot 1882. I got it from Rarenum. It is a cast copy, but it is old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted July 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 These are cast iron originals (as far as I can tell): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Dyakov's catalog has a similar prize medal for this event, but without fish. Other details are different too. I assume the organizers of this convention ordered medals in a few different places - at the mint, and privately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted July 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Found the one with the fish at MiM 38, Lot 447. They did not provide any references, but did indicate that it was made by the Kaslinsky factory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted September 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 I got this coin from our friend Rarenum. Its a 1783 KM Polushka, the first year of issue of this type by the Kolyvan Mint. If you take a look at the below picture, you may notice faint traces of letters П О around the horses rear. You probably already guessed, that these are actually traces of the inscription 'Полушка' that remained on the die. This die was originally made for the 1766 style Siberian polushka (probably in 1781), and then was re-engraved with the new design of the standard type polushka in 1783. Pretty neat in my opinion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Great coin from what is visible of it. Why not free it from the coffin? Sigi . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted September 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Someone has already gone through all the trouble of slabbing it, why waste all that work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Someone has already gone through all the trouble of slabbing it, why waste all that work? One could see it entirely including the edge, touch it, weigh it, range and rerange it in trays, enjoy it unveiled. Sigi . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted September 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 I get somewhat obsessive with re-arranging my coins when I get a chance, it's better for it to stay in the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Really nice coin Alex! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 very nice coin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Saw another one a couple of years ago...nice example! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted October 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 From the same series. Obverse: SCHWARZENBERG. Bust left surrounded by a closed wreath, signed LOOS. Rev: Coat of Arms. The Schwarzenberg family motto, which is missing on this medal, is NIL NISI RECTUM = Nothing But Right. 1815 28mm Blackened Iron. Obverse: GNEISENAU. Bust left surrounded by a closed wreath, signed LOOS. Reverse: Coat of Arms FORTITER FIDELITER FELICITER. (Bravely, Faithfully and Cheerfully.) on the ribbon, COLBERG on the centre of the Shield. 1815 28mm Blackened Iron. Perhaps struck from 'the spoils of war' cannons? Picked up a silver Barclay and and iron York: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art1.2 Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 Very nice. I really like the Crest - Nothing But Right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobh Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 By the way, the design of the reverse is somewhat similar to Dutch ducat, where as the averse - Peter the Great, that shows his ralation to him through his dad... I'm a little late in reading all of the wonderful information here about Paul... thanks to everyone for sharing their knowledge! There was a short-lived project here on the forum, maybe four or five years ago, which concerned translating some documents about Russian coins from the Russian original into English... one-kuna was the initiator, I believe. I couldn't find the link anymore, but I remember seeing an "Ukaz" of Paul where he wanted to change the silver standard to the Dutch "stuyver". Does anybody have that? Is it perhaps in GDM? It would seem that he was somewhat partial to all things Dutch. We shouldn't forget that Peter I (and possibly Paul as well) were fluent in the Dutch language and admired the Dutch navy as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted October 28, 2014 Report Share Posted October 28, 2014 Trying to figure out how to use Omnicoin. And, showing off at the same time:-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Nice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted October 29, 2014 Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 I got this coin from our friend Rarenum. Its a 1783 KM Polushka, the first year of issue of this type by the Kolyvan Mint. If you take a look at the below picture, you may notice faint traces of letters П О around the horses rear. You probably already guessed, that these are actually traces of the inscription 'Полушка' that remained on the die. This die was originally made for the 1766 style Siberian polushka (probably in 1781), and then was re-engraved with the new design of the standard type polushka in 1783. Pretty neat in my opinion! Who know, it may possibly be made from the original 1764 dies! They already found overdates on denga's and 1 kopeck: http://coins.su/forum/index.php?showtopic=143117&p=1541265 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted October 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Who know, it may possibly be made from the original 1764 dies! They already found overdates on denga's and 1 kopeck: http://coins.su/forum/index.php?showtopic=143117&p=1541265 I doubt that a 1764 die would have been lying around til 1783, but it is interesting that 1764 dies were in use at the mint. In a recent discussion on that forum there was an opinion that there were no real 1764 coins. The overdates suggest that such coins may have existed, and perhaps still do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted October 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2014 Trying to figure out how to use Omnicoin. And, showing off at the same time:-) A beautiful proof, and a great photograph! Congrats! As for omnicoin you may want to upload separate images for the two sides, instead of this combined picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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