NumisMattic2200 Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 I recently got this at an auction but can't figure if they were meant to be fake or not? What do they seem like to you? --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedeadpoint Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Thumbs down but I am no expert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoRnholio Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 I'm definitely no expert either, but they just seem to be too porous and lacking in detail. Is there any evidence on the edges that they may have been cast? Such as a line, or perhaps unusually smooth (where a line was present, but removed)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccg Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Yikes. They're pretty rough looking. What was the rest of the stuff in the auction like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeOldeCollector Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 I'm not convinced, but 'tis not my area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 The area that wouldn't have been stamped by the die is showing the same imperfections as the design therefore a cast fake I'm afraid. There should be some indication of a line around the edge or remvoal marks of such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Have you weighed them yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigers Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Its not a fake coin (both of them) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumisMattic2200 Posted February 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 They always seem to say fake - they turned out to be both genuine, just a little worn that's all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arminius Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 They always seem to say fake - they turned out to be both genuine, just a little worn that's all... The problem here is: If a coin is too worn and overcleaned it´s impossible to judge if its genuine or fake by just a photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumisMattic2200 Posted February 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 The problem here is: If a coin is too worn and overcleaned it´s impossible to judge if its genuine or fake by just a photo. Making a fake of the same metal should do the trick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 They always seem to say fake - they turned out to be both genuine, just a little worn that's all... I must confess to being a bit miffed by what looks to me to be an offhand comment. What do you mean by `they always seem to say fake'? Who always seems to say fake? On the other hand, who in fact has confirmed these particular pieces as being genuine and on what basis? If you had shown the edge, it would have been possible to confirm whether or not they had been cast. If you had provided the weight, it would have been possible to determine if they were too light (or indeed too heavy) to be genuine. Did you ever in fact get these items weighed as I had asked of you previously? While not a sure fire way of determining authenticity, it is a good indicator in this case. It would perhaps be a bit more gracious of you to feed some knowledge back into the forum you have sought opinion from rather than making it a one way street. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigers Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 This coins are genuine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyg Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...em=250523107820 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...em=260511185102 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumisMattic2200 Posted February 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 This coins are genuine. ROFL!! And Ian, do grow up, old man! hahaha... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 ROFL!! And Ian, do grow up, old man! hahaha... Well son, it's true. I'm fully grown both physically and intellectually. I'm just be lacking the patience for you to do the same. I've seen fakes sell on ebay for many hundreds of $'s. I've also seen doggies sell for anything between $5 and $85. Some real, some not. Let's face it, ebay has become quite the highway for entering fakes onto the market. Not only fakes from China but also from Eastern Europe and the Middle East. I've also seen fakes that have passed the so called `experts'....struck using original coins as blanks. Mind you that technique is mainly used to counterfeit something more worthwhile counterfeiting than an Alex III drachm. There are all sorts of tricks that modern counterfeiting uses, not the least of which is to make a coin look `just worn'. So, in terms of the questions you are dodging....who are all these people you mention who always seem to say `fake'? Why don't you pass on to us how you managed to determine these to be real? What were the determining factors? That you managed to sell it on ebay??????? LOL Give me a break!!! How about `sharing' your knowledge on this issue eh? Enquiring minds want to know. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyg Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 If I could tell if coins were genuine or not just from a picture, I'd be a lot richer..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arminius Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 I never wonder if coins like these find a buyer on the *bay. There is enough incompetence and greed. Definitely i will never want items like these if there is any doubt. There are always enough verifiably genuine coins on all the markets. And many with guarantee to get the money back if something is wrong or even if you don´t like the item. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drusus Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 I am not saying they are fake, but I wouldnt bet my money on these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 I am not saying they are fake, but I wouldnt bet my money on these. Nor am I, but If I were looking to buy I would still be asking the same questions I have asked and sure as heck wouldn't buy without the right answers. There are far better examples around with less risk associated shall we say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeOldeCollector Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 There are far better examples around with less risk associated shall we say. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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