tabbs Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 In January Germany will issue a €10 collectors coin dedicated to the composer Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, born 250 years ago then. The side with the eagle I find quite interesting. And the other side - well, the portrait is good, but I wonder if the regular (non-proof) version can stay free from scratches for very long ... Christian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coinjoe2006 Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 Wow. Thats a pretty coin. I love the side with the eagle. But the other side has a lot of open space and it does make the coin vulnerable to scratches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmarotta Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 I agree that the Eagle is innovative. The extra scrolls -- planets on a musical staff? -- take away from the bird, but I like the Eagle. Mozart is underdeveloped. Surely, some kind of tribute could have been designed that honors his many great works. The profiled head on a coin could be anyone, Schopenhauer, Humboldt, Pius IX, who knows? Even a new and accurate representation based on the few known portraits would have been all right. Mozart was a Freemason, by the way, and some people suggest that his Marriage of Figaro was part of the Enlightened conspiracy against church and state. Make a coin of out that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabbs Posted June 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 Yes, those lines are supposed to be staves. The stars are the twelve stars from the European Flag which also appear on all euro circulation coins, except that here they are aligned like notes. As for Mozart's portrait, well, it appears to be a little "flat", especially his hair. But I think he can be recognized :-) Interestingly the designer of this piece is Jordi Regel who is also responsible for one of the worst (IMO) German commems: the TV coin from 2002 ... Christian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tane Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 Shouldn't the austrians have done this? As for Mozart's portrait, well, it appears to be a little "flat", especially his hair. But I think he can be recognized :-) Looks like Beethoven... Perhaps they added wrong legend on the coin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediccoin Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 Heck, I'll just admire the Eagle side of this coin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabbs Posted June 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 Shouldn't the austrians have done this? Maybe they will issue a coin on that occasion too :-) Both present Austria and present Germany have been part of the Holy Roman Empire for centuries. Mozart was born in Salzburg which at that time was part of that empire, so why should not both AT and DE honor him with a coin? A similar case is Bertha von Suttner, by the way: Mozart is depicted on the Austrian €1 circulation coin, she is on the regular €2 piece. This year Germany issues a €10 collector coin because 100 years ago she was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. Well, I don't think she ever lived in what is now Germany - but after her death she was cremated and her ashes rest in Gotha, TH, DE. There are several similar cases - think of Copernicus (honored on both German and Polish coins), Beethoven (German and Austrian coins), Einstein (German, Swiss ...). And let's not even think of Charlemagne Christian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabbs Posted June 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 Heck, I'll just admire the Eagle side of this coin. It kind of makes up for many previous dull or just butt ugly eagles ... Christian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sisu Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 There are many non-orthadox features to this coin.: already mentioned is the eagle, which breaks with much of the past stylizations, the date of his life being placed at the top is also quite against tradition. ...Interestingly the designer of this piece is Jordi Regel who is also responsible for one of the worst (IMO) German commems: the TV coin from 2002 ... Christian Perhaps the reason for the empty field at the left? Mozart is watching the telly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabbs Posted December 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 The Mozart coin will be available as from Monday (2 Jan). If anybody is interested in getting one, let me know. Problem is that the "uncirculated" coins we can get from the banks here come in rolls - and the Mozart piece has a huge empty area ... Christian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trantor_3 Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 Christian, if you have the opportunity to pick the coins yourself and get some nice ones (not too baggy), I'll be happy to trade ya for an "Australië" and a "Rembrandt" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henare Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 the eagle kinda looks like a turkey ... but it still looks good (and it does make up for previous very dull eagles). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 The Mozart coin will be available as from Monday (2 Jan). If anybody is interested in getting one, let me know. Problem is that the "uncirculated" coins we can get from the banks here come in rolls - and the Mozart piece has a huge empty area ... Christian Christian, I would be interested in buying one if possible, and thank you for the offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiffibunny Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 How could I turn it down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabbs Posted January 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Ladies and Gentlemen, I have here in my hands the very first German "2006" coins. Since the local Bundesbank branch is just a few subway stations away from here, I grabbed some Mozart €10 pieces today, on the first day of issue. Erik, Ray, Tiff wanted one each, right? You'll get PMs later. The guy at the counter was nice; he ligned up several coins in front of me (knew where to hold them, and where not), and I could pick the ones I wanted. Well, I am a little disappointed by the Mozart portrait. As I wrote before, it appeared to be a little flat on the pictures ... and the coins do actually not have a high relief. But the coin as a whole is not bad - especially the eagle with the "vivid" staves looks interesting. Christian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottishmoney Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Too late to sign on for the Mozart Commem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabbs Posted January 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Not really. That is, I don't have any "left" right now, but can pretty easily get more later this week. Christian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trantor_3 Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Yay!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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henare Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Not really. That is, I don't have any "left" right now, but can pretty easily get more later this week. Christian count me in, please! (i wish u.s. commems were handled this way ... ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottishmoney Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 count me in, please! (i wish u.s. commems were handled this way ... ) Count me in too. May want to work out a deal for two nicer type sets of Euro coins from Deutschland for my nippers also. Yes, and I wish I could go in and buy a silver $10 coin at the bank, it has an oz of silver in it, I get it for face value and I really like the design. But not going to put my hand on my bum or it will grow there, remember we are talking USA mint here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabbs Posted January 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Lessee ... the ones for Trantor_3, Ray and Tiffibunny I have; the ones for henare and Ukraina Dvi I'll get later this week. And yes, I sure like the "price" of these coins. Silver euros being available at face value can be found in a few other countries too. The Netherlands come to my mind, also Austria (most issues), Portugal, Spain (only some issues). In other countries (Belgium, France, Italy) it's pretty much the same as the US: The price you pay for a silver piece, even if you buy directly from the mint, is much higher than the face value. That does of course not mean the Dutch/German/... silver coins actually occur in everyday life. To a very limited extent maybe; but if I take one to a store, I sometimes hear "No, we do not accept those". Others will accept €10 coins without any problems, but you hardly get one back in circulation. Plus (or rather minus), I cannot use a German collector coin in the non-German parts of Euroland and the other way round. That works only with the circulation coins and the €2 commems. Christian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottishmoney Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Lessee ... the ones for Trantor_3, Ray and Tiffibunny I have; the ones for henare and Ukraina Dvi I'll get later this week. That does of course not mean the Dutch/German/... silver coins actually occur in everyday life. To a very limited extent maybe; but if I take one to a store, I sometimes hear "No, we do not accept those". Others will accept €10 coins without any problems, but you hardly get one back in circulation. Plus (or rather minus), I cannot use a German collector coin in the non-German parts of Euroland and the other way round. That works only with the circulation coins and the €2 commems. Christian I remember spending silver 10 DM coins in the DM era though, never had a problem with them, most people looked at me like I was crazy for spending the Munchen commems. For me as a foreigner, it was a novelty, I had never spent silver coins before. It was unusual to have a silver coin with a value greater than the silver in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Wonderful, thanks Christian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabbs Posted January 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Dvi/Dave, for some reason I cannot send you a PM. http://www.coinpeople.com/index.php?showtopic=6482 So here is a "public copy" of what I wrote to henare. Hope you see this: Sorry, getting the additional Mozart coins has taken a while, but tomorrow morning I can pick some up. Problem is that shipping has become a little expensive. Deutsche Post now charges €3 for mailing a letter of the "padded envelope" type to the US. Still interested? Let me know ... Christian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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