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i have opinion/rhetorical question: does it make sense to collect Novodel's coins ?

 

I curious if it worth my time or not ....

 

help to decide :ninja:

;)

 

Your question, as put, makes little sense to me. If you're asking as a collector, then why do you need to be advised on what to collect? If you like them collect them! What does it mean 'worth my time' ;)

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I think there is a basic misunderstanding here as to the meaning of "Novodel". gxseries and IgorS touch on it briefly but I think that someone, more qualified that I, should give a concise explanation of what is meant by Novodel.

I think too many people, as gxseries said, confuse them with fantasy pieces and counterfeits.

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I think there is a basic misunderstanding here as to the meaning of "Novodel". gxseries and IgorS touch on it briefly but I think that someone, more qualified that I, should give a concise explanation of what is meant by Novodel.

I think too many people, as gxseries said, confuse them with fantasy pieces and counterfeits.

 

As I recall, Uzdenikov gave a brief definition of a Novodel as “An object struck at some date later than that indicated on the object, at the mint with original or newly cut dies, or outside of the mint but with original dies.”

 

The reason for the last part of the definition is due to the fact that some Gangut roubles were struck at GIM with original dies.

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i have opinion/rhetorical question: does it make sense to collect Novodel's coins ?

 

I curious if it worth my time or not ....

 

help to decide :ninja:

 

if netFish can read russian,- one of the best article on this subjest is:

 

I Spassky "on the NOVODEL coins" in a book "Proshloe nashei rodiny v pamyatnikax numizmatiki"

pp105-125, well ill.

 

Engilsh summary on page 214-215:

Novodels are copies of old Russain coins which were manufactured by mints for over 200 years. The majority of them come from the St.Petersburg mint (XVIII-XIX c) and the Ekaterinburg mint (XIX c). It is also possible that Moscow mint took part in their manufacture during the XVIII c. The manufacture of novodels arose from the legalized practice of making medals to order. In St. Petersburg, this was common immediately after the mint started work again in 1738. In the same way as the cracked medal dies were replaced by new ones, a small number of coin dies were recopied and kept in store in anticipation of fresh orders. In time this led to the appearance of various "hybrids": the more fanciful among them were manufactured illegally by workmen in the mint, who had access to the dies. The novodels had some weak points as far as their technical aspects were concerned (dimensions, weight, metal, standard, edges).As a rule, edging instruments did not survive.

It is possible to divide novodels into the following groups (not counting the "hybrid" combination):

1.late stamping with authentic dies

2.stamping with copies of dies

3.re-stamping with dies cut after previously issued coins, or even after their reproductions in books

4.copying of coins which were produced by mints other than the one involved

5.striking with "borrowed" dies

6.the manufacture of coins which did not exist before

A great many die-copies of all types were destroyed in the St.Petersburg circa 1840, but since then there were two huge issues of novodels in Ekaterinburg, which included coins from other mints as well. Perhaps one of the first "invented" novodel is a denga of Peter the Great, bearing a Latin inscription and dating from 1700. The Manufacture of novodels coins was officially prohibited in the 1870s.

 

Any questions, please ask

 

one-kuna

 

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Be warned though: don't be fooled by sellers who claim coins as novodels. Novodels are supposed to be official "restrikes" by the mint, not some crazy fantasy or counterfeit coins.

 

Novodels are very collectible but make sure that they are authentic.

 

 

My other favorite is sellers who refer to fakes as 'Trial Strikes'. Novodels, Trial Strikes, when I see these listed, I think to myself 'Oh is that what they're calling these now?'. I wonder how many buyers fall into this trap?

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majority collectors in russia DO NOT collect novodels :ninja:

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i will not do that as well ;)

 

:ninja:

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i like coins even if they do not look to good, because you can feel history and age .... that's what i think ..... ... if coin 300-400 years old ..... it can not look to good, unless you will pay thousands

 

so my answer about collecting Novodels - i am definitely not going to !

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i like coins even if they do not look to good, because you can feel history and age .... that's what i think ..... ... if coin 300-400 years old ..... it can not look to good, unless you will pay thousands

 

so my answer about collecting Novodels - i am definitely not going to !

 

Collecting coins is totally subjective. Every individual collector collects what appeals to him/her. There are absolutely no rules. There is absolutely nothing wrong with collecting novodels as long as you know what you are collecting.

There is no hierarchy. Collecting novodels does not make you any less of a collector than someone who, for argument's sake, collects British Sovereigns or US Saint-Gaudens Double Eagles.

 

It is strictly a personal choice dictated by personal taste.

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Collecting coins is totally subjective. Every individual collector collects what appeals to him/her. There are absolutely no rules. There is absolutely nothing wrong with collecting novodels as long as you know what you are collecting.

There is no hierarchy. Collecting novodels does not make you any less of a collector than someone who, for argument's sake, collects British Sovereigns or US Saint-Gaudens Double Eagles.

 

It is strictly a personal choice dictated by personal taste.

 

Exactly to the point! Why do any of us collect these little pieces of round (not always) metal with pictures and words.... they can not keep the rain off of our heads or put food on the table (unless we choose to part with them).....

 

some folks collect beer cans, dead insects, etc. My dear mother collects the tiny green mossy plants that grow on tree bark, and talks endlessly about it! So I guess its whatever keeps you from being bored!

 

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Exactly to the point! Why do any of us collect these little pieces of round (not always) metal with pictures and words.... they can not keep the rain off of our heads or put food on the table (unless we choose to part with them).....

 

some folks collect beer cans, dead insects, etc. My dear mother collects the tiny green mossy plants that grow on tree bark, and talks endlessly about it! So I guess its whatever keeps you from being bored!

 

:ninja:

 

and some weirdos collect dead insects AND coins... ;)

 

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