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:clapping: Congratulations Bob.

I think they probably had to run, sometimes great token Scottishmoney please excuse my sense of humour.

Hi Barry, welcome to the Forum I have an odd few scattered over the 17th to 19th centuries. They are hard to find in my postings as I do not usually use "farthing" in my posts, or in my own archives. I use medal or token as appropriate, Kettle's pieces can often be described as either or both Here is one that is listed as a fathing in D&H, but to me it is a commemorative medal, as I use Brown's BHM as a reference for my English medals, if I collected mainly tokens I would probably have used D&H and listed it as a farthing! This is BHM#515 14mm AE by Kettle, the first image is of my example(unlisted in AE) struck from an unfinished die. Thanks to Philip Atwood & the British Museum for the pictures of their 2 examples of this obverse, which show the further work done to the die with copy/reducing lines. The cheeks have been further engraved & the rear of what appeared to be part of the neck morphies into the lower part of the ribbon. There is also more detail in the hair & the upper part of the ribbon. Also the missing parts of the 'E's have been added. In the far right example the pronounced seperation between cheek, jaw & chin has been totally lost. Oh, and the copy/reducing lines have disappeared!

Thanks for the post, I cannot help with value or rarity but enjoyed seeing the error.

Hi Jake, congrats on the Olympics

The medal on its own gives no indication of the size of the arch but with the photo, which shows people & trams, you can quite accurately gauge its dimensions. A great combination.

Exactly why I collect exonumia, I have always loved history, so both the researching of a particular medal & who or what it commemorates, plus how that fits in with other events(pre & post) & the engravers & physical changes in design & manufacture, a virtual goldmine of research.

The possibilities are many and varied, you can group by one particular engraver, by theme, by one particular topic(political reform England 19th century etc), by metal, error types, by period or specific year, by copy/reducing lines(my particular bent), etc, etc. One of the things that attract me to buy a medal is how many boxes it ticks for me. One problem is that those "box ticking medals" fall across too many of my groups for easy placement within just one. Mentally, or using pictures, I can place one particular medal into as many of my groupings as I want, the only real problem is physically placing the medal in to just one group for display or storage. So I do, mentally & photographically, divide my collection into sub-sections, but I don't give it too much thought

Welcome to CoinPeople You are very fortunate to have such a generous friend! Commemorative medals, like this one, were made to be sold to the general public, as opposed to medals award for acts of valour or millitary campaigns etc. Commemoratives can be loosely divided into two types, small inexpensive ones or large and higher priced ones. Each of these types were produced in various metals or alloys. Generally the smaller ones, which are sometimes referred to as tokens, jetons etc, were often made from brass, copper(these were often gilded or silvered), or white-metal(WM), the larger ones bronze, silver, gold or WM. There were numerous medals issued to celebrate, what was thought to be, the end of the Napoleonic wars which had ravaged Europe. This one shows images representing Peace & the return of trade between Britain & France & the wealth it would create. It was issued by Thomas Kettle of Birmingham, England. The inscription "They shall prosper that loves thee" comes from the Bible and the thee stands for peace, on the barrel is written "To France" & Peace holds an olive branch & cornucopia, merchant ships are also depicted. Unfortunately Napoleon escaped from his exile on Elba, which led to his final defeat at the Battle of Waterloo, but every cloud has a silver lining, in this case it was another opportunity for the commemorative medal/token makers.

Sounds very similar to the George III I posted above, the edges on mine are chipped too, I have never been brave enough to attempt the removal of the "lacquer".

The medal has very nice detail and is in a reasonable condition, if it was mine, I would leave it as it is. I have never cleaned any of mine so could not offer you any advice at all. Good luck if you do have a go, if it works out well I might have to reconsider my views on cleaning, this would be one I would have a go at.

Very nice, a complete medal. I love Chicago, it is a great city. If you ever visit be sure to take the river cruise to be able to fully appreciate the architecture along its banks. The reversal of the river Chicago from flowing into lake Michigan to flowing south is an interesting story. The completion of the Sanitary and Ship Canal was the final act in this long proccess of reversal and took place in 1900, the same year as the Republican Party's parade in Chicago.

It is nice to collect things that have a personal connection.

Neither, it is a gambling/card counter, some others were used for advertising by changing the reverse inscription from the genuine guinea inscription to an advertisement, see this link for examples & some more detail re imitation spade guineas http://www.coinpeopl...__1#entry506831 be sure to read all the replies for more detail

Some really futuristic pavillons from pre-laptop 1970. I also had a Toshiba laptop, then HP, Dell and now Samsung.

Good point to make, being a history buff & especially interested in exonumia from this period I knew that already, but I suspect most people don't, so a very useful bit of info Simcox was also descibed as buckle, counter & ring manufacturer and as a brass-founder. Thomas Simcox(1725-1788) owned a brass-foundery in Livery Street Birmingham, which he left to his son George(1763-1831), George resided at Harborne Hall & was also a county J.P. George Simcox had a few partnerships, one being with Timmins another being with Pemberton.

Brass 20mm dated 1800 and probably produced at that time. All imitation spade guineas were not created equal, some of the earliest were made contemporary to the spade guineas themselves(no genuine spades were dated 1800) and were well executed, like this 1/2 spade guinea by George Simcox & Timmins(the S & T below bust), George Simcox active from 1791, a buckle & toy maker Birmingham.

Thanks for the invite Dave, maybe someday. I have a large amount of medals including royal commemorative, mainly George III to Victoria, most have been posted here in this forum, I used to post them all on omnicoin but have not updated there for a couple of years. What you are doing seems a worthwhile project, perhaps when I find some time I might reconsider

BHM#1081 Coronation of George IV. 1821 Obv: Bare head George IV, left. GEORGIUS IIII. D : G : BRITT : REX F. D: Rev: Crown within closed wreath of roses, thistles and shamrocks. Br 22mm by ? RR.

D&H "Artists- Mainwaring, Arnold and Dixon Manufacturer- Lutwyche. There was a John Fielding, warehouseman, of 12, Back Falkner Street, and a groccer of the same name at 27, Withey Grove. It is within the range of possibility that the warehouseman was the issuer of the token #135, if not also that of #127, as both have the same edge reading" Kestrel's Nest(on-line) " The token shows the arms of the Duke of Bridgewater on the obverse with the words SUCCESS TO NAVIGATION. The issuer was John Fielding, a Manchester grocer and tea dealer. Presumably his stock was imported at Liverpool and brought to him by the Bridgewater Canal. It is probable that the tokens were used to pay his staff and as change in his shop. He issued two other tokens with arms of the Grocers Company and East India Company symbols on them. This token is also common, four tons being struck. The diesinker was F Arnold and the manufacturer Wm. Lutwyche of Birmingham" Yours is 135c, I assume you are miss reading Manchester for Lancaster(you said the edge lettering it is crude and uneven), and is common.

I purchased one of these shortly after you posted your first one Bill, neglected to take pictures but browsing through medals I still have to photograph & post & noticed the monogram J M S behind the naked lady's head. I guess you were probably distracted by other things & did not notice it. So that monogram proves that Jonathan M. Swanson engraved this one too, "His signature is more often a monogram of the letters J.M.S. than his whole name"(Robert Eidlitz). Forrer.

I succumbed to temptation, yet again, and purchased the badge to the right, the 1933 Royal Agricultural Winter Fair, Toronto, Horse Show Committee Member Insignia badge.

Obv: FRISCH MIT GEWALT(Fresh with Violence is how some translate this, but New Power, authority, force or strength is, I believe, more accurate, which I hope will become clear when you read my reasons below, also in old German gewalt had those meanings, besides violence.) Exe:1802 Rev: OMNIBUS NON SIBI(all, not one) REICH below, on fountain EISEN/BERG. Brass 24mm. In 1802 many of the free cities(Nordhausen, Muhlhausen etc) in Thuringia were annexed by Prussia. This was in compensation for land & population west of the Rhine lost to France and followed the lost of Austrian Imperial power in the German states, so I suspect that Eisenberg, Thuringia was also annexed to Prussia then, hence the jeton....."Prussian troops occupied Nordhausen on 2 August 1802; the city lost its independence"......"Mühlhausen in 1802 lost its independence and passed to Prussia". So the jeton is celebrating the smaller German cities being incorporated into Prussia to forge a new unified strength. Seen in this light the "All, Not One" makes sense. Also the horse was a German symbol used on coins & jetons to symbolize strength & power. The REICH is for Johann Christian Reich (1758-1814) German medalist & jeton maker, born in 1740 in Eisenberg, Thuringia, and died in 1814 in Fuerth. I have been unable to find any reference, or forum discussion, which gave any reason for this jeton being struck & dated 1802, I believe that my conclusion is sound.

BHM#823 The Peace of Paris Obv. Uniformed bust of the Prince Regent, bare head left. H.R.H GEORGE PRINCE WALES. P. R. T. Rev. Inscription within open wreath WELLINGTON / ALEXANDER / BLUCHER / PEACE / 1814 AE, Br. 25 by ? AE R, Br. R. That is how I would have posted this, engraver unknown, until I acquired the book... Exonumia symbolism & classification: A catalogue of Kettle Pieces and an examination of the symbolism and classification of Kettle Pieces and of American Exonumia of the Hard Times, Compromise, and Civil War periods by L. B. Fauver(1982) Fauver attributes this to Thomas Kettle, based on the "E" punch used, type 2 with a drooping middle serif(which first made its appearance in 1814) and is clearly seen in the last "E" in George. He also rates it as rarity R-8, only 5-10 known....but he cautions that his ratings might have to be adjusted if more examples are found. This contrasts with Brown's R. for rare, I must say that, even with my very limited experience, I think Fauver is closer in his rarity rating. Fauver page 39/40: Geo P.W. 1814-1b (P) 24mm R-8.

Royal Agricultural Winter Fair, Toronto, Horse Show Committee Member Insignias. These are not my badges, the reason I have posted the pictures is that the following trial-strike is mine. It is the design for the 1923 badge(only the second year of the show) lead 40mm x 45mm 20 grams. One of the badges would have cost me under half the price of the trial-strike, just more proof that I am a sucker for trial-strikes. I like the design of the horse trotting through the horseshoe & the spurs, which, along with AGRICULTURE' have disappeared from the later badges.