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The 1894 Department de la Seine et Oise is, I assume, an agricultural/horticultural prize medal seeing the grapes and fruit by the rifle and the hand sickle by the hollow log. Wihout these other objects, the soldiers helmet, gun and trumpet would give the impression of a shooting prize medal. Or is it a shooting medal for farmers?

Quote from my earlier post "unfortunately some people take advantage of new pieces & try to pass them off as genuine" that is the criminal act, not the making of the copy & it being sold as a copy. I also stated that copies can "muddy the waters" Hence my point about Helmut Zobl's aluminum ancient greek copies, they cannot be genuine. The intent was only in regard to the person or persons making the said object. If they intended to copy a piece or invent a piece to sell as genuine that is a crime, if they copy a piece or invent a piece and sell it as such, there is no crime, unless legislation forbids the act. The Hobby Protection Act was only enacted to prevent future deception by having copy or date added to the original article. History is the accumulated knowledge gleaned from many ancient sources supported by the research of many dedicated individuals in mutiple disciplines throughout the centuries and though there are various interpretations & disagreements about much of it, I hope you are not implying that to add some complete fiction to it and disguise it as fact is acceptable in anyway?

http://www.coinsweekly.com/en/The-Nine-Types-of-Coin-Collectors/8?&id=76&type=a Hope you find this as entertaining as I did! Who will be the first to reveal his type here?

The series of renaissance medals, copies of roman republic/empire coins/medallions originals and some complete fantasy ones, by Giovanni da Cavino of Padua( created in cooperation with the humanist and coin collector Alessandro Bassiano) were produced not to deceive but to supply people with material for their collections following the growth of interest in Ancient Rome. They were known as copies & fantasy pieces at the time they were struck, and Paduan medals are still highly collectible to this today. I would love to have some in my collection, just be aware that many that you see today are cast copies of his struck medals http://www.coinsweek...8?&id=57&type=a Quote from the link above(well worth reading it also contains a link to THE 'PADUAN.' BY RICHARD HOE LAWRENCE); " we know that from time to time Cavino combined the reverses of his imitations not only with the portraits of Roman emperors but with the recently made portraits of influential politicians and merchants of his native city as well. That would have been silly if his imitations really had tried to deceive collectors" I think that the crucial point is whether something is made to deceive or not. Buying a modern copy or fantasy piece and being made aware of that fact is okay. Writing historical fiction is fine, writing history is okay too, but writing historical fiction and publishing it as fact is not.

Honouring the past in that way is fine, if there is no attempt to deceive, unfortunately some people take advantage of new pieces & try to pass them off as genuine. I like many of them myself.... but they can "muddy the water". I love these by Helmut Zobl of Vienna but they are struck in aluminium/aluminum.

I found your blog on this subject fascinating. Crime is crime but when the crime involves faking, or making historical artifacts & thereby distort our accumulated collective knowledge of our history it crosses the line into a crime against humanity itself. Faking a rare coin is bad enough but making a total fabrication is beyond the pale & when it is committed by persons who supposedly love their area of expertise & they use this knowledge to dupe fellow collectors it is henious.

. Found this etching online at http://www.tate.org....rquis-of-t11362 note; Nature has 6 breasts, the spelling "Genious" which was quite commonly used in the 18th century and "SENTIMENTAL MAG." on the spine of the book.

Interesting medal, great to have the ribbon too.

Thought I should put this copy of the Granby Sentimental Token here, not by John Kirk but by G. B. http://www.coinpeople.com/index.php?/topic/28960-marquis-of-granby-1774-a-mystery-piece/page__hl__granby__fromsearch__1

I don't think that there is a reliable answer to that, yet. One thing that is clear, the silvered ones are pretty rare. Here is my silvered sentimental from earlier in this topic. I did speculate that if the set had not finished the the Duke of Cumberland would surely been included, well here is an interesting piece from the Gentleman's Magazine Vol. 67, 1797 about the Sentimental Tokens. "The head of Cromwell is the best. How many more were issued in copper I cannot tell; but the copper ones seem to have been dropped and an embossed card substituted; but how long this or the Magazine continued I do not know. The only card I have seen, and which is in possession of the person who gave me this information, was an impression of William, Duke of Cumberland, executed by Milton" the writer goes on too add that possibly one was struck for Cumberland but that he had never seen it. It would be great to find that embossed Duke of Cumberland card by Milton!!! EDIT; Larry Reppeteau, PCNS Fellow, notes in the MCA Advisory Vol 7 # 4 2004; that all the silver sentimentals he has in his collection are in fact silver-clad copper, called "Barton's metal". What we tend to call silvered.

"My example was previously owned by Bill Weber" From Bill to Bill

To have the original box is a real bonus.

Lovely crisp strike, looks like it was made just yesterday!

What Art said!

I saw a movie in the 1960's about a tontine great jeton.

Love that Offa, though I think I will wait for at least a NSG slabbed MS65. I hope you get many Offas for that Offa. Young people who hear of "Offa's Dyke" might come away with the wrong impression. Seriously Clive, good luck with the auctions.

http://thestujoecollection.com/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=832 http://books.google....nepage&q&f=true

My pleasure, nice to have another person with similar interests to mine

From Vol. II of Medallic Illustrations, page 483 http://books.google.ca/books?id=MEMGAAAAQAAJ&q=georg#v=snippet&q=georg&f=false ignore the bit about "no value"

One medal that is in my wish list, Maurice de Saxe and his monument.

None of the engravers or issuers of the many small 24mm coronation medals are known, according to BHM, but I would think they all were made in Birmingham England.

Unlisted 1838 Queen Victoria Coronation Medal Silvered Brass 24mm. Obv: HER MAJESTY QUEEN VICTORIA + Rev: CROWNED JUNE 28. 1838. Crown above The Sceptre of the Dove & a Sword crossed.

Found a refference for this jeton 109. Ob. A landscape, with buildings indicating various occupations, and men working at a pump or well; in the foreground rises a tall pine-tree, at the foot of which two cornuacopiae shed their contents upon the ground. Legend : in multis fertilis. Rev. A pair of empty scales equally poised by a right hand issuing from a cloud. Legend : pondere virtutis libranda negotia cuncta. Size 8. Flemish Medalet-Jetton commemorating the final cession. of Cambray to France in 1678. The Ob. apparently is symbolic of prosperity; the Rev. of justice. (Dugniolle, No. 4403; Van Orden, No. 1358; cp. Addison, p. 195.) Red metal is a characteristic of the counters of the Low Countries. [PI. II, 19. By the Treaty of Nijmegen signed August 10, 1678 Cambrai is definitely attached to the kingdom of France.

Just before Christmas I noticed an Ebay seller offering some Princess Charlotte tokens, he had listed a group of one 5 integer, two 1 integers & one decem(tenth of an integer). I already had a 5 integer & a decem which I had posted here in exonumia, so wanted one of the two 1 integers but could not justify bidding on the whole group. I noticed the seller had included a link in his description to my post on these Charlotte tokens & described it as an excellent article. So I asked if he would be kind enough to let whoever was the winner know that I was interested in buying one of the two 1 integers from him/her as I wished to post pics of it here on CoinPeople. The seller replied that he had brought a large mixed assorted collection & until he had read my post he had no idea what the Charlotte tokens included in the collection were & so he looked through the collection again & he had another AU I integer available and informed me that it would be his pleasure to send it to me free of charge, he would not even accept postage. The kind dealer was the Sussex Coin Co, here is the One Integer Princess Charlotte School Merit award brass 26mm.

Kinda restores your faith in human nature, what a nice gesture