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The pictures from this forum appear to prove that they are genuine & were struck at the Denver mint. Not sure if this is one of the sites you have seen already, but to my mind it seems quite definitive. http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=55760&whichpage=2

British Historical Medals 1760-1960 3 volume set by Laurence Brown , so BHM#1153 is the number assigned to it in that book. The first volume covers from George III to William IV(1760-1837), vol. II Victoria(1837-1901) & III 1901-1960 which includes combined indexes of all the volumes, short biographies of engravers, corrections & additions plus some extras. So collectors can just select the volume for the period they are interested in or, if like me they collect from the whole period covered, buy them all as I did, ouch! http://www.amazon.co.uk/British-Historical-Medals-1760-1960-Accession/dp/090065256X This was only listed as issued in brass & N. for normal rarity, the reason for the overstruck date was that the original medal was issued for Caroline becoming Queen Consort in 1820 upon the death of George III, then she upped & died herself in 1821 so, just by overstriking the date, it could then be sold as a death medal & beat the competition to market.

You must be thrilled to have finally acquired one!

http://www.imperialr...nniversary.html Looks to me like a base metal copy of this. Perhaps you can get some info from the site as to whether it is genuine or not. "You are looking at a silver medal awarded to all surviving individuals civil or military, male or female, who participated in the defense of Sevastopol, 1854-1855, the battles of the Alma River, Balaklava, Enkerman, Chernoi River and to members of the Fiftieth Anniversary Historical Commission which was detailed to compile the records of the Defense of Sevastopol. The obverse has in the center a cross illuminated by rays of the all seeing eye. On the cross surrounded by oak leaves is the Figure 349 representing the number of days that Sevastopol was besieged. At the bottom of the Medal are the dates, 1855-1905. Reverse has the Inscription, OUR FATHERS TRUSTED IN THEE AND THOU HAS DELIVERED THEM"

Caroline Queen Consort 1821. Rev. God Save The Queen. Brass 25mm. BHM# 1153. This is the same obverse as BHM# 1020, but the date has been changed from 1820 to 1821, if you look at the '1' in the date you can still see the original '0'. I had posted this before but now I have another example, one which is gilded & the overstruck date is less obvious.

Another possibility as to what the medal represents, the movement of the German troops by train, that would have the added advantage that the date given by Emsting, 1814/15 would be correct. The horses would indicate the locomotive & the speed with which the troops could be deployed to the theatre of operation, the cart would then be the freight wagon. Picture from Wikipedia "German soldiers on the way to the front in 1914. A message on the freight car spells out "Trip to Paris"; early in the war all sides expected the conflict to be a short one." Or perhaps this was his inspiration, German troops pictured in the locomotive bunker. Picture from http://www.historypl...roops-train.htm

It is nice to have the pair. I am fascinated by the obverse of the Loius XV, the hair by his neck & face is so well struck, but the back of his head & his face below his nose just almost disappear into the field. Is it because the obverse die was worn or because the strike failed to "fill the die", perhaps because of a substandard plancet specifically thicker in the area of the clear strike but thinner in the poorly struck areas, either way it is a very strange pattern, the band from the top of his head to the curls below the truncation & his forehead being so well struck compared to the rest of the jeton. I would have been tempted to buy it just for that alone. I think I would go with the uneven planchet theory.

Welcome to Coinpeople glad to have you aboard. The Russian forum is especially active with very knowledgeable members . I tend to hangout in exonumia, as that is where my interests mainly lie but all the forums are okay as well, so I am sure you will find plenty here to amuse you.

Very nice! Here is the same obverse of the one with the reducing lines, but used on BHM#1134(1821 visit to Ireland), also with reducing lines. Seems strange that no one appears to have previously written about these early English brass medals with reducing lines showing, which then had further work done to the dies, considering these medals come from roughly 200 years ago,1800-1830. Should I perhaps have written "bothered about these" instead? Either way I am glad that I "started the ball rolling", it is nice to find other people interested in them.

Die Medaillen auf Friedrichs des Großen von Preußen 1712 bis 1786 by Manfred Olding http://www.amazon.de...2/dp/3924861714 A bing translation "Manfred Olding has made a name for himself not only as coin dealer, but is also a proven connoisseur of coins Frederick II of Prussia., as evidenced by its 1987-published work. Already mid-80's, he began the great and his family environment, which can be presented to collectors and coin trading after more than 25 years with the preparation of a comprehensive book of Medal of Friedrich. The author sought to capture every matter how remote contemporary Medal on the subject of Frederick II, king of Prussia. He appreciated the far scattered relevant literature and a variety of private collections, visited the large European Münzkabinette and noted the relevant stocks, where each copy is meticulously described, measured, and weighed. The result of this immense effort is a catalogue work that leaves hardly be desired! In addition to best illustrate each full-scale every medal is accurately described and with site certificates for all metal versions. Through unique numbering enables the full citation ability of the medal work, what appreciate collectors and coin trade. This medal catalogue which have set standards is rounded off by biographies of medal artists referred to in the book, a detailed register of transcription, as well as the translations of the Latin and Swedish implementation and inscriptions on the medals" You might find this of interest http://www.coinpeopl...what-are-these/ the engraver was Holtzhey.

What an amazing, once in a lifetime, discovery! Firstly I brought this, which is an extremelly rare 1837 Victoria ascension medal BHM#1769 RRR. Brown states that the reverse birthdate is May 14 1819, an error but this reverse has May 24, the correct date. Either a variant or Brown made an error. I found the portrait of special interest because of the way the head is thrust forward, it is unlike any of the other early Victoria medals that I am aware of. You can see that the die was damaged by the miss-struck central portion of the medal. Then, just a day later I saw & purchased this, a 1838 Victoria Coronation medal, because it was unlisted & because of the similarities between the 2 portraits & the exact same inscription. There are some glaringly obvious differences, the pearled head band, dangling ear-ring, hair-line etc. Neither of the medals are in my possesion, they are still in transit, but I became convinced by the sellers pictures that they were both struck using the same obverse die, albeit the second later medal after the die was further engraved to hide the damage. Now, whether you are convinced like me or not I do not know but if you do have any doubts that they were struck using the same obverse die please see the following group of pictures. The middle image is a superimposed-composite of the 2 outer medals & shows that the damaged die was further engraved, so as to remove the damage area, & it was then used again for the later medal, leaving Victoria with puffier cheeks, a higher cheek bone and bejeweled, though the neck, truncation, facial profile, denticles & inscription all remain exactly the same. Who's a clever boy then?

Very nice, I like the cross in the exergue.

Check this http://www.medievalc...saur/1/0759.htm St. Gallen Civic Issues 3 kreuzer (20 mm), (1563-1618) bear / imperial eagle, "3 " MO NO CI SAN GALEN(DATE) VNI SOLI DEO GLORIA (CROWN) It looks like yours could be 1567, I think I can see the seven on yours perhaps you can make out the digit before it. Here is a good picture of one. Picture from http://www.ma-shops.co.uk/sesambestcoins/item.php5?id=1568&lang=en&curr=EURGBP

It is an absolutely stunning piece, I can quite understand why it had to be yours.

Very crucial information for a collector, great that you have the complete package.

Your point about it being professionally done had occured to me also & I thought Pinches might have done the work themselves. From Tickets and Passes of Great Britain and Ireland By William John Davis, Arthur W. Waters Reprint of the 1922 ed: "177. Obv: A bugle with a crown above, crest, motto, etc of the XVII Lancers, all within an olive wreath. FREE MUSEUM. THE BUGLE THAT SOUNDED THE BALACLAVA CHARGE. In small letters T.P. Rev: Union Jack, and branch of oak, above LARGEST EGG IN THE WORLD, upon a ribbon FREE MUSEUM. Legend: WITH THE SEASONS GREETINGS FROM T.G. MIDDLEBROOK" I noticed that what they term a "branch of oak" is in fact holly, you can see the berries, which ties in nicely with "the season's greetings" for Christmas.

Though this is in great condition & has been silvered, it being mounted as a brooch/pinback might put some people off buying it, the fact that it was made into a brooch is, in contrast, the main reason that I was compelled to get it. I will explain why, most medals made into brooches have either some important person's image, an animal or flower, some club(or such like) insignia, etc. There are not many people who would want to have this medal silvered & mounted to wear, I think it must have been someone associated with the Edinboro Castle Museum and/or Pub so in that case the obvious first candidate would be old T.G.Middlebrook himself. Now there is no way to prove that, unless a photo of him surfaced showing him wearing it, but I can still dream that he wore this brooch! Here is a picture of the man, alas he is not wearing the brooch(or is he?), but he is holding an auk's egg. One of the things that concerned me was what Middlebrook's initials T.G. stood for as none of the sources gave his christian names in full. Using my research skills to the utmost I can at last reveal his name full............Thomas George Middlebrook.....Born 1846 St. Martins in the Field(Stratford, Middx) died 19th, Aug. 1907. Link to previous posts re Middlebrook & the Edinboro Castle Museum http://www.coinpeopl...__fromsearch__1

"In 1790, Boulton learned of the die-engraving machine of Jean Baptiste Bartlemey Dupeyrat (1759-1834) and obtained one for his Soho Mint. It was utilized there to do what it did in other mints – reducing the main device from an oversize metal pattern, then employed hand engravers to add lettering and small symbols by hand punches" So yes, those lines are from the reducing machine. Check this old post http://www.coinpeopl...__fromsearch__1 One of the pictures from that post, I have posted quite a number of these medals with these "lines" as I try to collect them and also find examples of the same medal with more finishing to the die. If you find a medal with the lines and some unfinished details and then find another example of the same medal struck with the lines polished out & some more detail added then you know the first example was from an unharden die which then had more engraving done. Mine(on the left) has copy/reducing lines, centre point of turning, is struck from an unfinished die, unfinished face, hair etc, 'E's missing elements etc the other two(from the British Museum) show the die had more engraving done before they were struck. This one shows the lines extremely well and a later strike which also shows more finishing done to the die.

BHM#823 The Peace of Paris, R. Fauver page 39/40: Geo P.W. 1814-1b (P) 24mm R-8. Obv. Uniformed bust of the Prince Regent bare head left. H.R.H GEORGE PRINCE OF WALES. P. R. T. Rev. Inscription within open wreath WELLINGTON / ALEXANDER / BLUCHER / PEACE / 1814 I posted another example earlier but this one is far superior, in fact it is the best one that I have seen, topping that for me though is shown in the following picture! Took some playing with the light & angles etc to fully capture the copy/reducing lines.

Some good info here http://kenvir.fateback.com/Scrip.html " Wouldn't it be great to have one of these original machines at our reunion and watch that thing roll out that scrip" It appears that the machines were for dispensing the scrip and would stamp both the employees & employers cards which were entered into the machine to record the transaction, the amount of scrip issued would be deducted from the employee's wages on payday. This is a scrip-register pictures from http://www.wonderfulwv.com/archives/sub.cfm?month=aug12&fea=1 so perhaps there were both scrip dispensing machines & seperate scrip/cash-registers?

Nice to see you back Vern, we have missed you.

When you posted the first pokal I noticed that it had been planished(hand hammered). When I was a young schoolboy I did some planishing of silver myself and I am still drawn to planished objects. These cups are truely amazing.

Thanks for keeping us informed. I'm glad that I, via CoinPeople, could play a part in the medal going to Fred's family.

Yes it is white metal(WM) and the design(which we both like) was reused in 1814.

Preliminaries of the Peace of Amiens 1801. A female classical figure of Eirene the Greek Goddess of Peace(Roman Pax), standing at a Quay holding the cornucopia in her left arm and an olive branch in her right hand. In the background at sea are three rigged ships and goods labelled 'To France' wait on the quay, aboveTHEY SHALL PROSPER THAT LOVE THEE in the exergue four ears of corn are crossed, two over two, along with the cornucopia & the olive branch, corn was a symbol of the Goddess. Oval shield in the form of the British flag mounted on crossed swords in the centre of a semi-circular legend. PRELIMINARIES OF PEACE / BETWEEN / GREAT BRITAIN AND FRANCE / SIGNED / OCTOBER 1st 1801. WM 38mm by Henry Kettle. BHM#516 N.