alexbq2 Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Just curious how it went. I didn't bid on anything, although I liked that Georgian half bisti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 1/2 Bisti went cheap. It was not that nice, otherwise I would go for it. Auction went pretty crazy, with all usual suspects present. Fakes sold for crazy money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kopeikin Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 I bid online but bid cheap, so not much hope to win. Anyways anyone knows when results are planned to be published online? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 1/2 Bisti went cheap. It was not that nice, otherwise I would go for it. Auction went pretty crazy, with all usual suspects present. Fakes sold for crazy money. ok... I'll bite. which ones were fakes? are we talking about the Markov/Baldwin NY Sale here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 176(5) em 5 kop overstrike. 178(9)MM 5 kop, 1764 siberian "original", 178(7) em 5 kop with wrong eagle. These I am sure about. Also, confirmed by people who know much better than me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Many cheaper, but nice and some pretty rare copper coins did not sell at all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 176(5) em 5 kop overstrike. 178(9)MM 5 kop, 1764 siberian "original", 178(7) em 5 kop with wrong eagle. These I am sure about. Also, confirmed by people who know much better than me. Why were they not withdrawn? Sigi - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Good question, Sigi. I guess "they" think these are real... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 I mean the auctioneer must withdraw an item once he learns that it is fake. I wonder why this did not happen at the NY sale where experienced people viewed the coins. Gorny & Mosch in his last auction withdrew the copper 5kop1781СПМ, WAG withdrew a 5kop1767CM a while ago - both because of my intervention. False coins become genuine once slabbed. The same applies to a false coin auctioned. The auction serves as pedigree and the "coin" is beyond doubt. Multiples of the fake become genuine at the same time because they match the auctioned one. Sadly enough the NY sale encouraged the counterfeiter. The contrary should have happened. Sigi - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Like I said -- I guess the auctioneers believe these to be real. Sigi, as a collector of 5 kop coins, do you need to see these in person to know they are fake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 I do not understand much Russian but I think some suspect coins of the NY sale were already discussed in a Russian forum more than a month ago? Didn't the auctioneer know about it? http://coins.su/forum/index.php?showtopic=119217&hl= - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted January 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 I haven't seen these coins in person, as I understand they are all genuine common coins with altered dates. I'm not sure why Mr. Markov did not detect the tempering while examining the coins, I have read some complaints about his character from some people on that forum, stating that he would not accept returns after the auction item was determined to be less than genuine, and that he was rather rude over the phone. I do not know him personally and cannot comment on his character or behavior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted January 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Auction went pretty crazy, with all usual suspects present. Fakes sold for crazy money. I've nether attended one of these, so just curious who the "usual suspects" are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Ok, I will play, -- who do you know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted January 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Ok, I will play, -- who do you know? Point taken. I probably don't know them. Honestly, I only "know" in the sphere of Russian numismatics: you + other members of this forum + Alex Basok + Mark Teller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Sadly, most forum members make a very small dent in the number of coins doing back to the motherland... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted January 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Am I correctly understanding that the "usual suspects" are dealers from Russia? I'm surprised that they would buy all those altered 5 kopecks, do they pay no attention to Russian forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 At these price, only rich people can afford to buy coins. However, rich people are too busy making money, and have no time to read all this nonsense... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 This one did not go back to motherland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 This one did not go back to motherland wow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 BKB, you managed to take a decent photo. Congrats! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 BKB, you managed to take a decent photo. Congrats! (it is a nice photo though) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 A long time ago I also wanted efimok on a taler with early date. At the time I managed to get one with 1558 (Spassky 424). After that I forgot about my endeavor. But I do remember statistics presented by Spassky - the group of talers with early dates used for known efimoks is quite small. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Your photo is also very nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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