alexbq2 Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 Lot 255 - 2 Kopecks 1767, Red Mint, MM. 20.07 g. Bitkin 535 (R2): 2 400 CHF Lot 398 - Polushka 1799, Ekaterinburg Mint. 3.16 g. Excessively rare and the most legendary provenance from the famous collection of count I.I.Tolstoy!! Bitkin 139 (R3): 32 000 CHF Lot 498 - 2 Kopecks 1823, Ekaterinburg Mint, . 9.67 g. Excessively rare provenance. Bitkin 366 (R2): 12 000 CHF Lot 766 - Denezhka 1855, Warsaw Mint. 2.55 g. Bitkin 485 (R1): 22 000 CHF Looks like copper did pretty good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 This is ridicious - might as well call it the hobby for Oligarchy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted October 15, 2013 Report Share Posted October 15, 2013 Thank you Alex! Hope I am correct and that was my last bid... It looks like a reasonable coin. Gxseries, can you imaging how much they will sell your coins for if you let them do it and they accept them to put them for the auction? They have made a name for selling rare coins. I don't believe many collectors will be buying from them, it has become a feeding ground for the rich investors that have little idea about numismatics... Nonetheless, some coins the are unique and interesting to real collectors, and command the high prices... Can not wait until we get to the multiple lots... I put some small bids on 6 lots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 The auction brought in about 10 000 000 CHF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Lot 105 - Rouble 1726, Red Mint. 27.45 g. Bitkin 28: 1800 CHF Lot 253 - 15 Kopecks 1767, Red Mint. 3,82 g. Bitkin 162: 275 CHF Lot 290 - 20 Kopecks 1787, St. Petersburg Mint. 4.70 g. Bitkin 404: 525 CHF Lot 1070 - Kopeck 1712, Kadashevsky Mint (2,5 roubles acc. to Petrov). Kopeck 1712, Naberezhny Mint, . (2) Kopeck 1713, Naberezhny Mint, . Various conditions. (4): 300 CHF Lot 1076 - Kopeck 1728, Kadashevsky Mint. 5 Kopecks 1729, Kadashevsky Mint. (2). Various conditions. (3): 325 CHF Lot 1087 - 2 Kopecks 1773, Ekaterinburg Mint. (2) 20 Kopecks 1784, St. Petersburg Mint. Polushka 1786, Ekaterinburg Mint, EM. Kopeck 1788, Red Mint. Various conditions. (5): 375 CHF Lot 1089 - Grivennik 1795, St. Petersburg Mint. Kopeck 1795, Ekaterinburg Mint. Denga 1795, Ekaterinburg Mint. (2) Denga 1796, Ekaterinburg Mint (last digit re-engraved in die: 6 on 5). Denga 1774, Suzun Mint. Kopeck 1779, Suzun Mint. Fine-very fine. (7): 350 CHF Lot 1130 - Kopeck 1865, Ekaterinburg Mint. 5 Kopecks 1866, Ekaterinburg Mint. 10 Kopecks 1867, St. Petersburg Mint, HI. 20 Kopecks 1868, St. Petersburg Mint, HI. 15 Kopecks 1868, St. Petersburg Mint, HI. 5 Kopecks 1868, Ekaterinburg Mint. Various conditions. (6): 400 CHF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Lot 1634 - Pattern 3 Dengas 1771, Mint in Sadogura. 10.62 g. Bitkin 1262 (R3): 46 000 CHF Lot 20 - Kopeck 1704, Naberezhny Mint, K. 8.28 g. Bitkin 1603 (R1): 7 000 CHF Lot 705 - 2 Kopecks 1854, Ekaterinburg Mint. 9.76 g. Bitkin 600: 4 500 CHF Lot 828 - 3 Kopecks 1867, Ekaterinburg Mint. 15.50 g. Bitkin 331: 9 000 CHF Lot 838 - ¼ Kopeck 1869, St. Petersburg Mint. 0.84 g. Bitkin 556 (R1): 4 000 CHF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Did you bid? I think that one is the only one I got, but I am happy with that... Just for the memory of this auction, one souvenir is enough for me... I was actually hoping someone would outbid me on some of the lot... Some lots were "under-estimated" by me 10+ times fold... lol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 I bid pretty low, "just in case" bids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain386 Posted October 16, 2013 Report Share Posted October 16, 2013 Same here, bet on 6 coins. Waiting to see the results! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 Official results are posted. I may have won lot 1100! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 On October 14th, at Sincona, 20 Kopecks 1787 TM (Lot 328) was sold for 28000 CHF, on October 12th, at MiM (Moneti I Medali), 20 kopecks 1787 TM (Lot 220) in sort of similar condition (pictures are tiny, so hard to tell) sold for something like $7000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 Congratulations on the 1100! Looks like it has some very interesting coins in it. About Sincona. That's how I see it: It has a different level of investment caliber and power... MiM is a proper auction. It shoots "small", but every time and all the time. Sincona shoots only once, while they have collection, and it made it more fun... It's unique. It's not the individual coins that attracted the attention and increased their will to pay, its the whole, museum-like collection that generated media frenzy and the interest. MiM was just another auction... Who goes there? But - will you go to Sincona, will you at least follow it on internet or on forum? Every one talks about it, they have this, that and that, and such and such is going to be there, and I can see the coin of my dream!... It is an important auction! And it was... Human factor, marketing psychology at the best. The sad thing is that all these coins will never be in one place ever again, but I guess, these are the sentiments that they had to cast aside, in order to make big bucks. The high-paying investors may find it hard to return the money if they wish to sell later, in the next 10-20 years, until the inflation catches up, as one coin will never generate similar frenzy and they will be caught by surprise finding themselves selling at the auctions like MiM... But there were some lots sold for a reasonable amounts, not as many as we wished, but some interesting and rare copper coins under or around $1000, that worth every penny of it, including your and my lots. So it was a fun... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 Looks like I almost won the 1811 SPB kopeck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 What do you mean? That's what it says for the lot I think I've won: Lot 323 Enlarge 2 Kopecks 1796, Ekaterinburg Mint. 21.75 g. Bitkin 687 ®. GM 34.9. Rare. Very fine.Sold CHF 90.00 (with reservation) I wonder what they mean by that... My top price was 90. Hope it's mine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 "With Reservation" is there because these are preliminary results. That means that there could be mistakes and typos. For the 1811, I was the under-bidder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RARENUM Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 Lot 533 - Pattern-polupoltinnik 1827, St. Petersburg Mint, H. 5.10 g. Bitkin 909 (R4): 2 050 000 CHF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobh Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 Maybe I should get out the India ink and try putting some cryptic markings on my coins? https://www.sincona.com/auction/The%20SINCONA%20Collection%20-%20Part%202_Nicholas%20II,%201868-1918.aspx?rownum=24&backid=ib635178228985958327&lager=00020&los=973&ActiveID=1062&lang=de Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 Yah, it says its a rouble in ink ("rub. #2b" - on portrait side)! Cannot Sincona read!? lol Must be a double from Hermitage collection or something, only keepers of state collections ever vandalized coins in soviet Russia. There were some other coins on auction with ink markings. Same problem with this coin (old sale, not Sincona): they don't clean them as these markings give coins credibility... or so they think... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 Graffiti on coins is not uncommon, even I have something like that somewhere. The marks are mostly old and often done with a steel tipped ink pen. Seems like collectors and maybe stares would put notes or inventory numbers right on the coin. Removing these marks may reveal a scratch from the pen, so better to leave them alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted October 20, 2013 Report Share Posted October 20, 2013 Question to those who attended the auction. What's your impression? Who spent all that money? Was there someone there abscessed with the Nicholas I 1839-1847 copper, the prices on those coins were pretty spectacular? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted October 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 I attended first day only. I do not think all those high price items make any difference for us, middle layer collectors, or for coin market in general. Still I was surprised about some prices. I was interested in 1808 EM denga. It had scratches all across the reverse. Still it fetched 17,000. And I thought I had a chance due to its condition In any case, I am glad I had a chance to handle those rarities (but had to wear gloves provided during veiwing). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 1839 3 kopecks was also badly damaged but sold for 7000! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobh Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 I attended first day only. I do not think all those high price items make any difference for us, middle layer collectors, or for coin market in general. Still I was surprised about some prices. I was interested in 1808 EM denga. It had scratches all across the reverse. Still it fetched 17,000. And I thought I had a chance due to its condition In any case, I am glad I had a chance to handle those rarities (but had to wear gloves provided during veiwing). Very strange that we must wear gloves to handle scratched and otherwise damaged coins! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 it creates a pricy desire of holding them without gloves... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted October 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 Only the lots marked in red in the catalog required gloves. And it was not fun. The gloves are slippery and I could not even get the coins out of the holders. So I was being assisted with that part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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