extant4cell Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 This is my effort in collecting 18th Century Russian overstrikes so far. Series 1: 73 Years of Evolution of 5 Kopecks Cross Coin (1723 - 1796) [around 20.48 gram] From 5 Kopecks Cross coin of Peter the Grate, Catherine I, and Peter II to a 3 year type 1 Kopeck "Baroque" (in the Clouds) of Elisabeth and to 2 Kopecks with St.George of Elisabeth to one year type 4 Kopecks "Armature" of Peter III (I am missing this type in visible overstrike from 2 Kopecks) and to 2 Kopecks with St. George of Catherine II to 1796 4 Kopecks of Paul I (supposedly prepared for invasion and quickly recoined back to old Catherine II 2 Kopecks coins by Paul I once the plans were abandoned). 4 Kopecks of Paul I are missing (super rare and super expensive). 4 Kopecks of Paul I recoined back into Catherine II 2 Kopecks coins by Paul I (missing). The one I had in this place deemed not to be Paul's restrike. Discussion of that coin is below. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted December 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 Series 2: 38 Years of Evolution of 5 Kopecks of Elisabeth (1758 - 1796) [around 51.19 gram] From 5 Kopecks of Elisabeth to Peter III "Armature" 10 Kopecks to 5 Kopecks of Catherine II to 1796 10 Kopecks of Paul I (supposedly prepared for invasion and quickly recoined back to old Catherine II coins by Paul I once the plans were abandoned). 10 Kopecks of Paul I are missing (super rare and expensive). 10 Kopecks of Paul I recoined back into Catherine II 5 Kopecks coins by Paul I That's all so far... Have a Happy and Fruitful New 2013 Year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 Notes: 1 kop of 1755 - 1757 is a 3 year type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art1.2 Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 Very interesting. That's a neat form of collecting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 nice presentation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 By the way... dont overlook Polushka of Anna overstruck on Kopeck of Peter II, and Denga of Anna overstruck on Kopek of Peter I ! Also, Peter III 2 Kopek overstruck on kopek of Elizabeth! Good hunting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 Notes: 1 kop of 1755 - 1757 is a 3 year type. And the proper English term for it is "Baroque", not "Renaissance". Those are actually conflicting styles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted December 27, 2012 Report Share Posted December 27, 2012 Here's my attempt with overstruck coins. http://http://gxseries.com/numis/rus_imperial/overstrike/rus_overstruck.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted December 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 ...3 year type. ...term for it is "Baroque"... Thank you for noting that. I didn't do a literature cross referencing when I put this together in a rush late last night while watching "Braking Bad", just relied on my not all that good memory at that time. I've made changes now, to have it right. Very interesting. That's a neat form of collecting. Thank you! nice presentation! Thank you! This is my first effort to put my overstrikes in some meaningful order By the way... dont overlook Polushka of Anna overstruck on Kopeck of Peter II, and Denga of Anna overstruck on Kopek of Peter I ! Also, Peter III 2 Kopek overstruck on kopek of Elizabeth! Good hunting! Thank you for these points. I'll give them a go in the future. So far I concentrated mostly on larger (more visually impressive) coins in my collecting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted December 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Here's my attempt with overstruck coins. http://gxseries.com/..._overstruck.htm Your attempt, is kind of what inspired me to put them all in order. I have looked through your projects when I joined here (including your ovestuck coins one), and it was sitting at the back of my mind since then. I just wanted to add some more of really good (visually) overstrike representatives to the coins I already had before putting this presentation together. This was my last addition (yet to be received): and I got a little too excited about this, so I couldn't wait anymore and put it all up... Thank you for sharing your projects with us, they can be inspiring as you can see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 ...while watching "Braking Bad", ... Love that show! Can't wait for the ending next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Love that show! Can't wait for the ending next year. Me too, but I need to catch up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art1.2 Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Here's my attempt with overstruck coins. http://gxseries.com/..._overstruck.htm Nicely presented information. Thanks for sharing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted December 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2012 I wish I could get my hands on this one: Someone was asking to evaluate this coin on a Russian forum. Unfortunately it's out of my reach in Russia. I am missing this type (overstrike from 2k to 4k). It's an ugly overstrike thought. If anyone sees one like this for sale anywhere, let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 4 Kopecks of Paul I recoined back into Catherine II 2 Kopecks coins by Paul I Could you post better pictures of this one, please? I am not sure about the date and the mint. I wish you a happy new year with -of course- many, many coinzzzzz. Sigi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Could you post better pictures of this one, please? I am not sure about the date and the mint. I wish you a happy new year with -of course- many, many coinzzzzz. Sigi As I pointed out to Eugene earlier, the letters should be to the sides of the horse not under the horse. Interestingly M that I can see here looks a lot like M on that altered TM coin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted December 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Could you post better pictures of this one, please? I am not sure about the date and the mint. I wish you a happy new year with -of course- many, many coinzzzzz. Sigi http://omnicoin.com/coin/1014513 the description reads: 1788 2 Kopeks MM Edge Inscription Paul I recoining... This coin is from my old collection, and is still packed away after we moved. I hope go get these coins out early this year when I have time. i'll make better pictures then and will examine it again. As I pointed out to Eugene earlier, the letters should be to the sides of the horse not under the horse. Interestingly M that I can see here looks a lot like M on that altered TM coin. Is it good or bad for this coin? TM-s are very rare as you know and I would be interested to learn how significant this information to this coin... Happy New Year to ALL!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Eugene, if the date is 1788 (I can't tell from the pictures) it cannot be MM. The 1788MM 2 kopeks had the MMs placed at the sides of the horse. As a mint mark I recognize only the 2nd letter, which is an M under the horse. In 1788 only the 1788TM 2 kopeks had the M under the horse. Paul's recoinage yielded 2 kopeks with 1793EM and no other 2 Kopek dates. If your coin is dated 1788, it is not a Paulian reoverstrike. Your coin deserves being presented here with good pictures when you have the time. Thank you, regards, Sigi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Does anyone remember the discussion (quite recent) about a coin that was listed on ebay, it was an NGC slabbed 1788 fake TM? That coin was also an overstrike with recut M/M. And if memory serves me well, the last M looked kinda similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 : Paul's recoinage yielded 2 kopeks with 1793EM and no other 2 Kopek dates. : Thank you, regards, Sigi Well...there was the 1796AM 2K Paul overstrike, sold in Aalborg I (2006) Lot 2311 for around $12,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Yes indeed - I did not know. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted January 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 The coin description and the pictures were taken by me from the original eBay listing some 4-5 years ago. When I get around it I will retake the picture myself. Sigi, I was planning to do this this year anyway, but may actually start with this coin. I played with the bits of the pictures a little and that's a result: the description stated that it was MM 1788, but on the picture the year is not very clear and I see your points re: TM/MM and must agree that it's not MM. To say 100% that it is TM I can not, simply because, although, the first letter looks too similar to T, it's a lot wider than M, so they don't exactly match. Alex and all, if you can point to the direction of the coin discussion that Alex mentioned I'd appreciate that. Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 Can you please post better photos as well as an overall photo of the coin? Would be interesting to see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted January 2, 2013 Report Share Posted January 2, 2013 I found the images of the coin I was referring to - the slabbed 1788 MM/TM: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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