alexbq2 Posted January 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 there is an influx of fake 1796 and other Paul's recoinage on the market. There are guys in Russia that claim to know the difference in dies. I am not in the know, but I just stopped buying overstrikes altogether... There was another piece up for an aucton: http://www.ebay.com/itm/330669086838 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted January 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 Also this curious piece got sold some time ago. Any thoughts? http://www.ebay.com/itm/370570530040 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobh Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 Also this curious piece got sold some time ago. Any thoughts? http://www.ebay.com/itm/370570530040 I have bought many times from this seller in the past and was never disappointed. Even the most knowledgeable of sellers will be taken in by a fake at times (not to say that I know this is a fake ... it is not one of the things I collect). Is there anything remotely similar to this one listed in the Bitkin catalogue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted January 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Is there anything remotely similar to this one listed in the Bitkin catalogue? I didn't find anything quite like that in Bitkin. It is conceivable that this is a fake meant for circulation, although I think those make more sense for the later period of Peter's coinage when the weight of the coins was reduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted January 23, 2012 Report Share Posted January 23, 2012 Yes, coin comes from a reputable seller, nuimismatist and auctioneer. My guess - since the auction started at 1 Euro, no faul play here. The rest was left up to the buyers. Someone had $100 to burn... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted February 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 I recall making a gag prediction that soon people will start going to bidding wars over replicas. I didn't think that would actually happen, until now: http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=2&pub=5574633083&toolid=10001&campid=5335826004&customid=&ipn=psmain&icep_vectorid=229466&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg&icep_item=110808260414 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 Nice job, nearly convincing design, were there not the poor spacing of НА СЕРЕБРО and the fact that the manufacturer could not differentiate between А and Л (3x!). Sigi - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve D'Ippolito Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 I love it when outright fakers call their product "novodels," presumably thinking they are being honest about what they are selling. Or that they hope you will think so. Either way they are probably hoping to use the word to weasel out of a charge of fraud. When you manufacture a coin that isn't what it purports to be (i.e., an actual proof, pattern or business strike coin of that denomination, made in [see footnote] that year), it's a fake. Unless you happen to be the mint, in which case it's a novodel. Claiming a fake is a novodel just gives you a fake novodel as opposed to a real novodel. Being a product of the mint, a real novodel is something collectible, but I nevertheless wasn't interested; I wanted "real" coins, business strikes (that excluded proofs and patterns too, to the relief of my wallet). I think over the years I purchased two by mistake. One of them was not attributed right at the auction (which I should have spotted but didn't--it was pretty obvious), so I got my money back; the other I decided I would flip (I paid a lot less than novodel price for it), forgot about it, then it ended up in the sale of my collection--labeled as such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted February 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 I love it when outright fakers call their product "novodels," presumably thinking they are being honest about what they are selling. Or that they hope you will think so. Either way they are probably hoping to use the word to weasel out of a charge of fraud. When you manufacture a coin that isn't what it purports to be (i.e., an actual proof, pattern or business strike coin of that denomination, made in [see footnote] that year), it's a fake. Unless you happen to be the mint, in which case it's a novodel. Claiming a fake is a novodel just gives you a fake novodel as opposed to a real novodel. Being a product of the mint, a real novodel is something collectible, but I nevertheless wasn't interested; I wanted "real" coins, business strikes (that excluded proofs and patterns too, to the relief of my wallet). I think over the years I purchased two by mistake. One of them was not attributed right at the auction (which I should have spotted but didn't--it was pretty obvious), so I got my money back; the other I decided I would flip (I paid a lot less than novodel price for it), forgot about it, then it ended up in the sale of my collection--labeled as such. Isn't this a Novodel? P.S. I kinda like Novodels. If anyone wants to get rid of their unwanted ones - I accept donations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve D'Ippolito Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 It most likely isn't, according to the dealer who sold it to me, who ought to know. But I can certainly understand why you'd ask. (Is this the coin you asked about via Omnicoin a couple of days ago? The e-mail Omnicoin sent me with your comment doesn't indicate what coin the comment is about, which suggests a possible improvement to Omnicoin.) Here's the description from the auction catalog: Grivennik 1713 МД, Sev 305, GM-plate 75/3, Diakov 3. EXTREMELY RARE type struck on a full weight planchet (2.79 grams). Possibly a novodel from original dies but due to full strike and weight we tend to believe it is a superb original specimen. AU So I call it a "maybe but probably not." And certainly "superb orginal" got my attention, and my money. This brings up the point that restrikes from fully original dies are going to be the trickiest novodels to discover, because they could be made in the same manner as the originals. You might even have to analyze the metal in the coin to figure it out; if it's too pure it's probably done later with better refining technology. (Hmmm, might be worth it in this case; x ray fluorescence is getting cheaper and cheaper.) (In fact this is probably a valid way to find the rumored later restrikes of the imperial platinum coins, though I should think the visual appearance of the platinum would be a strong clue too.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted February 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 It's definitely a Superb coin, it just looks so perfect and even that Novodel jumps to my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted May 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2012 A very cool coin sold on eBay today. I did not win But congrats to whoever did! Check it out, and note that the M on the obverse and the P on the reverse are both upside-down!!! http://www.ebay.com/itm/380434454472 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterShell Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 Alex, Look at this one.... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Russia-3-Kopeks1917-IMPERIAL-RUSSIAN-COPPER-COIN-NICHOLAS-II-VERY-RARE-/251056474563?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a7421c9c3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobh Posted May 8, 2012 Report Share Posted May 8, 2012 Alex, Look at this one.... http://www.ebay.com/...=item3a7421c9c3 I don't know much about this series, but the image is a bit strange: the middle part is in very good focus all around within the circle, yet the corresponding parts of the wreath in the horizontal direction are out of focus! It looks like a Photoshop job to me, but it is hard to tell because the image might have been rotated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted May 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 Alex, Look at this one.... http://www.ebay.com/...=item3a7421c9c3 Honestly I've never seen one of these. I do know that the whole 1917 series has been faked, I'm not sure if this is one of those fakes though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted May 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 Here's a fake: http://molotok.ru/3-kopejki-1917-goda-i2325089362.html Makes the one on eBay look good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterShell Posted May 9, 2012 Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 I've seen fakes of 1917 before... The coin on ebay looks genuine. The question is ...how on earth he obtain this piece !!!1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted May 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 I think the question here is why sell something like that on eBay? Why not go through a respectable auction house? And seller's caveat does not sound very promising: "* No returns accepted. All payments are final. Please contact for any questions." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted May 9, 2012 Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 Yes, but it's free shipping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-kuna Posted May 9, 2012 Report Share Posted May 9, 2012 this piece, 3 kop 1917, if genuine, may cost much more than seller listed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted May 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 Yes, but it's free shipping Sold!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted May 10, 2012 Report Share Posted May 10, 2012 Sold!!! No, not yet, just one offer and 4 days to go. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted May 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 Sigi did you see this one? http://www.ebay.com/itm/251059537611 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 Rare coin. Looks decent. I was bidding. Close, but not quite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 Sigi did you see this one? http://www.ebay.com/itm/251059537611 Yes - once again hoped nobody else would but let's be positive - I kept the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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