Tane Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 welcome to the club Thank you Now everyone is free to get back to the original topic - sorry for hijacking this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 There was also one on Gelos a few years back. Do you have that one? I'd have to see it to cross check against the Conros and Ekaterina coins. Do you have an image? My Gelos coverage is actually quite poor. I stopped collecting their images in late 2004. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted May 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 I'd have to see it to cross check against the Conros and Ekaterina coins. Do you have an image? My Gelos coverage is actually quite poor. I stopped collecting their images in late 2004. I had a link, but they removed all auctions before 2007 from their site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RARENUM Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 I'm collecting old fashion way (printed catalogs) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RARENUM Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 MONETY I MEDALI IN 2005 AUCTION 31 (COPPER PART II) LOT 413 POLUSHKA 1776 EM SOLD FOR 800.00$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RARENUM Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 That's cool I did some research with my 20 kopecks, and found out that atleast 1980, 1981, 1983, 1984 and 1985 have two varieties: some have large Soviet emblem on the obverse while the emblem on some others is much smaller. Coins with small emblem seem to be considerably scarcer (atleast in my coin jar ) than the ones with large emblems. There are also some other differences. Could the coins with small emblem have been struck with 3 kopeck dies? If that's the case, I'll join the Mule-Owners-Club Welcome ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 MONETY I MEDALI IN 2005 AUCTION 31 (COPPER PART II) LOT 413 POLUSHKA 1776 EM SOLD FOR 800.00$ Yep...got that one. Thanks OK...enough of these 'scarce' polushkas. What about something rare. Anybody seen a 1785EM Polushka. Or better yet, anybody have one? There _may_ have been one in M&M 31 but the 5 looks strange (sold for $1000, so somebody took a chance). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RARENUM Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 Yep...got that one. Thanks OK...enough of these 'scarce' polushkas. What about something rare. Anybody seen a 1785EM Polushka. Or better yet, anybody have one? There _may_ have been one in M&M 31 but the 5 looks strange (sold for $1000, so somebody took a chance). 1774 em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 1774 em I've never seen one. I guess the question is not 'if' you have one, but how many do you have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RARENUM Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 I've never seen one. I guess the question is not 'if' you have one, but how many do you have Not a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted May 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 Not a lot russian government managed to sell one 1774: Adolph Hess 210 lot#1679 There is a plate. I think I also saw one, but not at liberty to discuss. We should ask the lucky the owner... I have never seen 1785 em. Now, that is a true rarity. GM lists an 85 (Plate XXIV #21), but the 5 looks exactly like the 5 on 1775/4 and the 8 is not clear. Funny thing is it is listed as only "rare" not "very rare"... the description says that the coin is from the collection of count Tolstoi, and that the revers was created from 1775. (there is a mistake in Boston, mass. reprint for it says 1757 there) They (GM, Demeni, Tolstoi, etc) had the coin and could examine it, however, it could easily be a myth created by a die break... After all they were not infallible listing all those novodels as originals. Steve, do you have an image of the coin from M&M 31? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 russian government managed to sell one 1774: Adolph Hess 210 lot#1679 There is a plate. I think I also saw one, but not at liberty to discuss. We should ask the lucky the owner... I have never seen 1785 em. Now, that is a true rarity. GM lists an 85 (Plate XXIV #21), but the 5 looks exactly like the 5 on 1775/4 and the 8 is not clear. Funny thing is it is listed as only "rare" not "very rare"... the description says that the coin is from the collection of count Tolstoi, and that the revers was created from 1775. (there is a mistake in Boston, mass. reprint for it says 1757 there) They (GM, Demeni, Tolstoi, etc) had the coin and could examine it, however, it could easily be a myth created by a die break... After all they were not infallible listing all those novodels as originals. Steve, do you have an image of the coin from M&M 31? Yes indeed. Thanks for the info. Very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted May 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 Yes indeed. Thanks for the info. Very interesting. There is something under 5, but it is not 4. 5 looks different from the 5 on GM coin. Could there be 2 dies? Yea, right... Although I do not see any traces of engraving on these photographs, you need to look at it under the microscope to be sure. All in all, I am neither conviced by GM specimen, nor by the M&M coin. Both could be false, one could be false or both could be real. Who knows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RARENUM Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 russian government managed to sell one 1774: Adolph Hess 210 lot#1679 There is a plate. I think I also saw one, but not at liberty to discuss. We should ask the lucky the owner... I have never seen 1785 em. Now, that is a true rarity. GM lists an 85 (Plate XXIV #21), but the 5 looks exactly like the 5 on 1775/4 and the 8 is not clear. Funny thing is it is listed as only "rare" not "very rare"... the description says that the coin is from the collection of count Tolstoi, and that the revers was created from 1775. (there is a mistake in Boston, mass. reprint for it says 1757 there) They (GM, Demeni, Tolstoi, etc) had the coin and could examine it, however, it could easily be a myth created by a die break... After all they were not infallible listing all those novodels as originals. Steve, do you have an image of the coin from M&M 31? You should add Zubov (1897) #90-91 listed polushka 1774 EM and 1775/4 EM (overdate), which confirming mintage Polushka's "EM" in 1774 Zubov (1897) #93 listed polushka of 1776 EM listed for first time and unknown before. Rarenum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted May 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Still waiting for pictures... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Here's what I hope is the 1776 polushka. As Murphy's law dictates - the last digit of the date is the most corroded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 The flip side: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 1773 polushka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 1773 reverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Brightened up a little... At first glance, it looks good to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 1770 maybe overstrike? with maybe a 70/73 overdate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 reverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted May 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Here's what I hope is the 1776 polushka. As Murphy's law dictates - the last digit of the date is the most corroded. Can you make a better photo, because what I see is 1775/4. I could be wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKB Posted May 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Similar coins discussed: http://www.coins.su/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...%EB%F3%F8%EA%E0 http://www.coins.su/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...%EB%F3%F8%EA%E0 There should be no straight lines in the #6 and no traces of an overdate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 Similar coins discussed: http://www.coins.su/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...%EB%F3%F8%EA%E0 http://www.coins.su/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...%EB%F3%F8%EA%E0 There should be no straight lines in the #6 and no traces of an overdate. Maybe it's a 75/6 overdate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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