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These are cast iron originals (as far as I can tell):

Got this one recently:

This one is from Sincona 7, lot 1882. I got it from Rarenum. It is a cast copy, but it is old.

 

My latest coin bought on eBay:

 

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Denga-1740-Anna-Ioanovna-1730-1740-/251579639521?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=oCv6hsGVjkcI%252F6tGzsd1HdjRhsI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

 

Lines between the feathers in the wings. Not a common variant. ...

 

 

Nice!

Here it is:

 

 

Any thoughts?

I do not have any particular thoughts on this coin. Did you buy it?

I think I do remember seeing a reeded 1840 10 groszy coin that looked convincing. MW may have experimented with edging at some point.

The seller is from Florida, I would guess this was a consignment sale.

Russian cast iron medals are not from the mint, but from Kasli - a Russian town famous for its cast-iron castings in the middle of the 19th century.

Are they copies of mint struck medals?

Don't know much about it, although I have something like that, but mine is yellow. I think they are fairly common, but perhaps there are nuances that I do not appreciate.

I'm blissfully ignorant on the subject, and thus try to avoid anything cast. I did buy a medallion from Rarenum, that he got from the last Sincona and it is listed as cast (not iron). I also came across a ton of Galvano Copies of Russian medals. So who was doing the casting and copying?

I actually came across an article, that indicated that a Kutuzov medal was copied by a Soviet factory in early 80's for some event (an official state order), I think they used the Galvano method.

There are a small number of other Prussian blackened iron medals from this period. Most Napoleonic field guns were bronze but defense, coastal & siege guns were often iron as well as naval cannons. As early as 1774 Matthew Boulton patented a technique for boring solid iron cast gun barrels, though iron cannons had been around a long time before that.

 

This is a 1815 blackened iron Dutch medal of Elverno's http://www.coinpeople.com/index.php/topic/22997-1815-coronation-of-william-i/

Thanks for showing! Does the last medal look cast to anyone?

Eugene,

 

Please excuse my earlier sarcasm with regards to your remark about Paul and Knights Templar. After decades of rehabilitation culminating with Dan Brown's and Walt Disney's opuses Knights Templars are viewed as some really nice guys. Back in the XVIII c. they were still largely viewed (particularly in Russia) as convicted criminals. It is highly improbable that Paul was inspired by some people convicted for the crimes against both Church and State. To understand his belief system one needs to understand his environment first.

 

I think Paul was the Grand Master of the Maltese Order of knights, who were from the Hospitaller order. The Templars were hunted down by the Catholic Church as Heretics back in the XIII or XiV century.

 

From the same series.

Obverse: SCHWARZENBERG. Bust left surrounded by a closed wreath, signed LOOS.

Rev: Coat of Arms. The Schwarzenberg family motto, which is missing on this medal, is NIL NISI RECTUM = Nothing But Right. 1815 28mm Blackened Iron.

Obverse: GNEISENAU. Bust left surrounded by a closed wreath, signed LOOS.

Reverse: Coat of Arms FORTITER FIDELITER FELICITER. (Bravely, Faithfully and Cheerfully.) on the ribbon, COLBERG on the centre of the Shield. 1815 28mm Blackened Iron.

Perhaps struck from 'the spoils of war' cannons?

 

Blackened Iron! That's unusual. Were cannon made of iron in the early 19th century? My impression is that they were still brass.

I'm just glad Paul has kept himself off the coins.

I do like the "Drum and Cannon" coins, wish I had more of them.

But they are very militaristic looking, and they do very much resemble the Prussian coinage, and that fits well into the 'conventional' view on Peter 3rd. Perhaps it was lucky that Catherine was so "proactive".

Sincona Russian coins auction always plays part in skyrocketting the prices... The last one in a series is this October... oil prices too...

Really? I thought there would be a 4th. Well, I'll need to save some money.

Boy o boy, I been looking for a sister for my 1771. Thinking hard... Only problem is that he does not grade only problem coins.

NGC would probably give it the Details grade due to planchet flaws. Not sure if anything else is going on.

You might be interested to see this http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=1678245&AucID=1575&Lot=1411&Val=f5e3288e20fa4ef58b92712e7d72e7e2

 

Just in case the link is removed here is a snipping picture, $139 + buyer's fees.

 

 

Somebody must have really liked it!

 

I did get the German version recently:

What about Peter's 1762 reform?

A very nice and rare coin, not cheap!

IMHO She looks happy on the second one

The first portrait is by Iaeger, the second by Bobrovshikov.

I'll try to post the medals in this thread, as they seem to be off topic in the eBay one. Also using a new host. Hope it works.

Nice token! Can you tell more about it. I am not into tokens but it's interesting anyway...

 

Catherine 2 had put up a monument to Peter the Great in St. Petersburg. The 'Bronze Horseman' as Pushkin referred to it, has become an iconic symbol of that city. The sign on the stone reads "To Peter I from Catherine II". Of course Catherine was in no way related or descendant from Peter, so the monument had a political significance in establishing a feeling of continuity in the ruling dynasty.

Eugene do you want one? I have a spare.

I also have 2 copper medals, one is similar to the above token, and the other celebrates the transport of the rock that the horseman is mounted on. Apparently that alone was a "monumental" undertaking, and took a lot of effort and a lot of serfs.

Oil prices are going up.

Common holed roubles of this type ("wings up") and condition (Fine~Very Fine) are being sold at 800-1000 roubles in Russia now (equivalent of $23-$28).

 

It is one of the most common dates of this type.

Does not deserve any premium.

 

Only dates of this type which are hard to find are 1810 (rare) and 1826 (scarce).

1821, 1825 and 1820 are "better dates".

Are we talking about 1825 NG? I think 1825 PD wings up is pretty common.