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Got 11 so far:

Somebody posted this scan on one of the forums some time ago. Has all kinds of interesting variants:

pls explain"new" - does it come from Adrianov catalog, thanks

By 'new' crowns I meant the crowns that appear on the regular EM 2 kopeeks of 1810 and subsequent years, I am assuming that the crowns with the narrow base that usually appear on the 'chicken' or 'bee' type eagles are of a slightly earlier design. Compare the crowns on mine with this:

P.S. Adrianov does list your coin and mine as a separate variants

Thank you.

 

Yours is Small/Large crown variant

Yes, but both are the 'new' crowns.

http://www.omnicoin.com/coin_view_enlarge.aspx?id=974776

Nice!

I have this one:

The Foundation of the Moscow University medal is by Dassier with a beautifull portrait of Elizabeth (slightly similar to the rouble).

BTW, it is unlikely that actual student award medals were in copper, so your medal is probably a novodel.

Yes, I’ve seen that medal during my search. Both sides are quite lovely.

Thank you for all the information, I’ve updated the OmniCoin description.

Diakov 109.1 or 109.2. Prize medal to students by Yudin.

There should be russian letter "yu" (for Yudin) above the exergue line. If "yu" is on the left side - it is 109.1 (R1 in copper), if "yu" is on the right side - it is 109.2 (common in copper).

You should get the companion medal from the next century - http://cgi.ebay.com/RUSSIA-CA-1855-MOSCOW-...alenotsupported

Thank You! The only online reference to this medal that I've found was from 1898 Spink & Sons Numismatic Circular #70. They attributed it to the Foundation of the Moscow University in 1754. The 'yu' is on the right side - 109.2

A new medal, and the same question. What does Diakov have to say about this one?

http://www.omnicoin.com/coin_view_enlarge.aspx?id=966374

The copy would have been made 10-15 years after the original. I don’t have anything against Novodels. I would have been content with either variant.

 

I’m not sure why the mint reissued this medal, perhaps not too many were struck originally? Which is somewhat confirmed by the reference you provided. Thanks!

I now understand that the medals initially issued at the birth of an heir were reissued at the time of coronation of that person. So the copy would have been made in 1796.

No problem. But let's say the copy was more scarce than the original. Would that make it more desirable to own a copy instead? Not for me.

The copy would have been made 10-15 years after the original. I don’t have anything against Novodels. I would have been content with either variant.

I’m not sure why the mint reissued this medal, perhaps not too many were struck originally? Which is somewhat confirmed by the reference you provided. Thanks!

Thank you for the scan! So looks like the original is a bit scarcer than the Ivanov copy, at least for other metals.

AR, AE, AG in his catalogs are not after each medal. Let's take 97.2 for example. It mentiones AR R2 (in silver rarity R2). No other metals are mentioned. That does not mean that this medal does not exist in copper, it just means that in author's oppinion this medal is common in copper and does not deserve rarity rating. Actually, if you look lower, you will see that copper medal sold in WWCC auction 21.

As a side point, starting with book part 4 author added rarity rating R0 (parts 1-3 had lowest rarity rating R1) to identify medals that are one notch up from common. So R1 is equivalent of RR and R0 is equivalent of R.

I've never seen Diakov's catalogs, so could you please elaborate on what he has to say about 97.1, which is what my specimen appears to be. I'm not sure what metal it is made of. It is white and silvery, but not sure if it is silver - perhaps an alloy? Weight is 86.5 grams. Thanks.

First of all it is under Diakov #97 in volume 2 covering period 1725-1796.

Original dies is listed under #97.1 and copied dies under #97.2 accordingly.

As I saw your image, it is a medal from a white metal. And both are them (white metal) are NOT listed by Diakov.

Very interesting! Thank you. I wonder what the new Bitkin medal catalog lists.

Diakov reference says that Original dies were executed by Weaxter/ Yudin.

Copied dies are by Ivanov/ Yudin.

Does Diakov distinguish the 2 variants (the original and the copy) or do they both go under Diakov #105?

I’m curious, because I’ve seen several instances of the Ivanov copy, on auction sites, and it appears that Diakov ranks it as R1, did not find listings for the original yet. So does the same R1 apply to the original medal?

I'm not a medal collector. But once in a while I pick something up for fun. Here's my new acquisition, a medal struck to commemorate the birth of Pavel Petrovich:

http://www.omnicoin.com/coin_view_enlarge.aspx?id=962143

I found some references to a similar medal:

http://www.numismat-invest.ru/view_img.php...img2=173712.gif

"This medal is a later restrike (late 18th - 19th century) of the medal struck during the reign of Catherine the Great to commemorate the birth of Pavel Petrovich (future Paul I). Original die-stamps were executed by Georg Christian Waechter and Samoila Yudin. The die-stamps for this medal were copied by Samoila Yudin and Timofei Ivanov. Beneath bust truncation: TIMOFEI IVANOV. Diakov#105.3(R1), Smirnov.238"

My medal is signed by Waechter not Ivanov, so mine must be the original. I'm curious as to what the Medal references have to say about this medal. Thanks in advance!

I thought that France usually used a rooster as its symbolic national bird rather than an eagle.

 

I'm wondering if the eagle represents the alliance, rather than France alone?

I think the eagle was adopted by the imperial France while the rooster is the symbol of the Republic?

Thank you for this very interesting information Constanius! This certainly puts things into perspective (historically).

Oh look at what they did to the Russian eagle

Why is this San Francisco token in French? And why is this celebration taking place almost 3 months after "le fait accompli"? What? the good news did not travel fast in those days?

Overstruck on a polupoltinnik or something, which is then "fixed" by clipping the rest of the planchet

 

I'm saying this because the area "CAB" corresponds to the area "P"olupoltinnik. Ruble and poltina will not make sense as it will correspond to "M" for moneta. Shame though, I wanted to bid on it for further study on overstrikes but that's way beyond what I can afford.

Thanks Gx!

I saw that the characters were from a larger coin of Elizeveta, but I just didn’t put 2 and 2 together. I guess it was just too late or too early for me

This just sold on ebay. High bid (not me) was $360

Anyone have an idea of what the under-coin is?

It looks to have been a coin of larger diameter, and trimmed down.

I was just going to ask the same question All I can tell is that the obverse has a line that spells out a part of Elizaveta, the reverse seems to have a Russian “P”. What’s strange is that the font of these partial inscriptions is noticeably larger than the regular font on the grivennik, the meaning of that “P” on reverse is unclear to me. Definitely not made out of a 1755 5 kop as the seller suggested

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=270247367959