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It was there. Not any more. Sold for under 90 USD incl delivery. That's what I gathered so far: Original с.м. not found on http://www.mcsearch.info .This is the only coin in similar condition I found sold on auction in the last 3 years: http://www.m-dv.ru/monety-rossii-1700-1917/prohod,51230/coins,3145/type,4243/auction,49/date,2010-10-21/lot,463/images-prohod.html ... There were 3 sales this year of coins in F. Price is around $300 ... Here is a description of this coin in Russian: 5 копеек 1764 Буквы "СМ" меньше, бант меньше. Биткин # 599 ®, Узденников ( ) , Петров нет руб. , Ильин нет руб. As far as I understand from analyzing this coin (correct me if I'm wrong) original "см" (small) 1764, with "м" narrowing at the top (there are versions with straight "м") - is the most rare version of these 5 kopeks in years from 1764 to 1766.

I had a feeling it will interest you Sigi ... I wish it was in a better condition though... Yes, you are absolutely right the 2nd link is to "СПМ" recut (my mistake) with П taken out, you have one of them in your collection. I found auction sales for original CM now: http://www.m-dv.ru/c...243/prohod.html ... by the way, I found another sale link to one you have as well, a pretty amazing auction too: http://www.efimok.ru...velot42130.html it went over 1000 USD

http://rucoin.ru/for...=post&id=127466 - 1764 CM (small lettering) 5 Kopecks. Anyone knows about any similar coins going through auctions? I just bought this one and would like to research it more. It's not in a very great shape, but it will do me for now. The only auction sale I could find was this one over 7 years ago (is it that rare?): http://www.mcsearch....rd.html?id=6680

Does anyone know where I can get a copy of Diakov on Gold and Silver coins of Peter I? I really want to see the picture of this coin. My interest in this is a pure fad and is based on a drive to research this coin because of a fake that I have. It intrigued me for the last few years now and I do come back to it from time to time. This time I am a lot luckier. Would love to see a picture from the book or even get the book. I am afraid it may be a bit of a rare book though with only 300+ copies printed. Does it say in Diakov that coin is from Hermitage?

In the past few days I was looking through all sorts of Novodel and Pattern coins finding some interesting (to me) examples. Have learned something knew - I never realized that in English "Pattern" coins in Russian coin collecting means "Trial" coins (as they are called in Russian)...

It may be in the State Historical Museum or in the Hermitage in Russia. Apparently, it used to be in a collection of Emperor's Academy of Science before the revolution. That's what some people said, but no references were provided...

Thank you Steve for clarification and the link. This is an assumption of the most probable place of residents for this rouble at the moment that yet to be confirmed. Apparently, Dyakov doesn't have a reference for where he took that picture. One may have to ask him for this information directly...

Just must share another one I just found:

Sorry for double posts, but here is some additional info on original coin from Russian forum (if anyone interested): This 1707 rouble is located in Ameriaca (? Smithson University [translated from Russian, welcome correction]). This is the only known coin of this unique type. The picture below is taken by Dyakov for his catalog "Gold and Silver Coins of Peter I" and an earlier picture of the same coin (lesser quality) is available in Bitkin (2000).

I wish I had this one... Love that eagle...

I didn't try to imply that , just another questionable piece that I found. A few years ago I was looking into one of the fake roubles like this one, so I was wondering if that was the one... I recently run into a few fakes that were sold by Auction houses as coins. So far all of them were removed from sale as far as I know. I guess people tell them to question the coin after they release the catalog. Are there any known fakes that gone through the sale that you know of?

I keep my "copies" or fakes separate from my regular collection. I probably shouldn't have called it a coin, as really it's not a coin, and not a rouble, and this probably misguided some people with the topic heading, I apologies for this. It is more like a piece for a investigation in criminal activity in numismatic world. May be one day there will be a branch of Interpol that will be looking into these things, I would be happy to sell them the whole lot I accumulated over years... What strikes me sometimes with these items is why (apart the obvious "fool someone and sell for money") anyone makes them. Still I would like to find a picture of a real rouble (!!) that this criminal element was suppose to portrait. I never managed to find one... Please note I updated Uzdenikov ref. it's coin 508, page 48 (in 3rd edition ).

Why wasn't it sold if it was problem-free?

After not collecting for many years, this was one of the first coins I bought to research using internet... without having any ref. materials yet... Because I couldn't find anything worthy on Internet, I bought Uzdenikov catalog (don't laugh!), so some good came out from buying this crap coin. The only reason I like it is because it is heavier than 5/10 kopecks and it's sharp details (I still don't understand why anyone would make a copy from this fake? as the only similar "coin" that I found was sold as a copy and looked like an copy of this one produced by casting). I knew it was crap coin, but I decided to keep it until I can see the real one, at least on a picture, and as a reminder not to rush buying before you research. I think we all have something like that on a bottom of a drawer. Any crap is made for a purpose to copy something valuable, so I am trying to find at least an image of the original coin (recent sales or from collection...). Can anyone help?

Interesting enough, but one of these "H" ("novodel") coins was on Hess-Divo AG 3 years ago: http://www.mcsearch.....html?id=358934 Was removed from sale... And one on Kunker (probably from similar series): http://www.mcsearch.info/record.html?id=350122...

I have a fake Rouble 1707 in bronze, very sharp and heavy. Interested to get some additional info on original coin. The one I have looks like an old replica or fantasy coin. Similar to Uzd. coin 508, page 48 but in bronze (in 3rd edition ). Your opinion / additional info please. I saw one of these sold on one of Russian auctions about 4-5 years ago, but it looked like a copy of this one. It wasn't sharp at all... I got this one around that time in Melbourne.

Thank you very much, it's exactly what I wanted! Great!!!

It's amazing Alex! : ) I've ever posted coins before I got paid only to people I knew very well. They must trust you already! I also can not find a catalog to download, just this incomplete preview https://www.sincona....asp?auctionID=8, the six-bids link or a very short version in PDF where they listed only a handful of the most improtant coins (available on their site). If anyone finds a soft (electoronic) version of this auction catalog, please let me know! How about this one for an unsold coin? (from Auction 6)

Very nice addition to your lovely collection Alex Well done! Congrats! Here is a little article on the subject of this auction: http://coinsweekly.c...ion/10?&id=1153 And here the auction items with results: http://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=465

... all the marks, scratches and imperfections are identical...

Thank you Saku. Extra $400 in one year, it's not too bad, but it looks the prices started to go up in the last year+ anyway, so not surprising. Thank you for this link, nice to know the recent history of this coin and they have a better picture. Sigi, it must be the same coin ...

You have like 20 kopeks there! I wish I could find one similar to this one!

There is something about these 10 kopeks that is very attractive. May be because it is the very first 10 kopeks in copper... I always wanted one of them, I like them all (just had another look through omnicoin) :-) ... I also found this overstrike that you have and I love it!!!

Agree, It's a winner in my case

It's always the case, as everyone wants a coin on the cover. It is a big natural buster. But if you would be impartial, I would say that the coins worth the money: My coin (yet to be received) would be the bottom feeder... and a more common variant...