Ian Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 This is a silver jeton issued by the `septieme corps des marchands' as the wine makers guild liked to be known. IThe six main guilds(Les Six Corps des Marchands) were not so keen on sharing their power and influence. The Premier Corps (Drapers guild) issued jetons with one ship in the shield. The Deuxieme Corps (Apothecaries) issued jetons with two ships in the shield.......etc. Hence the `Septieme Corps' having seven ships in the shield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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frank Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 Beautiful jeton, and thanks for the info re French guilds. I am extremely jealous of your collection, Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted December 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 Thanks. there is a variant to this particular jeton which i've also got somewhere in my collection. I'll dig it out and scan it when next I get the time (and notion) I've got lots of different jetons relating to the various merchant guilds of Paris and associations along with jetons issued on behalf of the various `Prevots des Marchands' (Lord Provosts of Paris aka `Mayors' who were basically elected from the ranks of the merchant guilds) and other locations most of which i simply haven't got round to scanning. i usually only bother with new additions to my collection. I know that you have more than just a passing interest in jetons Frank, having owned a few yourself in the past. If there is any area you have an interest in i'd be more than happy to look at my collection to see what i have relating to it and post them on this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 Thank you Ian for offering help. I had to sell the bulk of my jeton collection to pay debts, so at this point I'm enjoying yours vicariously and learning all the interesting details I never had the time (or motivation) to look up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 I love this piece. Had they any sense, the wine merchants would have been the Premeir Corps, but that's just common sense from my point of view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeOldeCollector Posted December 11, 2012 Report Share Posted December 11, 2012 A fantastic jeton! What date is this associated with? I've been reading a lot about guilds lately and so this really piques my interest! Thank you for sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted December 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2012 The first record of this type appeared as a mention in `Le Mercure' the magazine of the Paris Mint for 1683. It descibes the legends using `V' whereas the one in this thread shows the more modern `U', which in turn determines this one as a later issue under Louis XV. My guesstimate for the strike is 1730- 1733 (ish) The other one i have in my collection uses the `V' and has the coat of arms in a square cartouche which is in keeping with the one described for 1683. However, i suspect the jeton was not actually issued until the 1690's. There is a short series of jetons issued between 1651 and 1691 for the `Confrairie des Marchands de Vin'. Mitchiner states `The Marchands de Vins (Wine Merchants) spent a century pleading for admission as a `Seventh Company' and adopted an appropriate coat of arms.' The Drapers actually obtained their ranking by purchase from the Furriers (Les Pelletiers) who were subsequently reduced to fourth ranking within the sixieme Corps. As an aside there are no jetons recorded for the Quatrieme Corps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted December 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2012 here's the earlier example of the jeton I mentioned. It's actually in a wee bit better condition than the scan would have you believe, but not exactly a pristine example. : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabnoles Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Thanks for the coin porn lol... or is it exonumia porn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted December 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 you must be seeing something that i'm not........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabnoles Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Its called a joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted December 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 seriously, i'm not seeing what you must be seeing. care to elaborate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabnoles Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 I was only joking around about the photos of the coins... I just enjoyed looking at the photos. One of these days hope to either make enough money to buy up stuff like this or have the luck to come across them cheap. But photos will do for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted December 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 no problem friend. Just wasn't getting the `porn' bit. Must be because i'm a dour Scot. ......It's taken me long enough to get used to coin buffs referring to images of coins as being `eye candy'. my idea of eye candy is something entirely different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiho Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 Ian, the strike on the jeton at the top of this page is just amazing. Quite a find! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted October 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Here's one for the `Communaute des Distillateurs et Marchands d'Eau de Vie' . That is, the Association of Distillers and Spirit Merchants (eg Brandy)'. It's quite hard to find examples of jetons of this particular commercial activity and when you do the price tends to be `up there' and the condition not to brilliant. I was luckier than expected with the price given that the condition is about as good as it gets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmarotta Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 All very interesting. It is truly amazing what numismatics reveals. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedeadpoint Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Great find, Ian! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Love it. I've never seen anything like it. Is that the Holy Spirit blessing the holy spirits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constanius Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Strange how Eau de Vie(water of life) is echoed by the abbreviated signature Du Viv for Duvivier, with vivier being a pond or fish pond. Even stranger is how my mind works at times! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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