LostDutchman Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 So this is a pcgs graded CAC sticker coin... I know it is exceptionally rare... but do you agree with the grading.... (and the CAC sticker) for that matter?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumisMattic2200 Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Was it a poor strike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostDutchman Posted July 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 these coins do come weakly struck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumisMattic2200 Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Then it depends only on 'how weak'.... it looks hard to see how ti could be a VF be it might be... it was done by a professional company after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiho Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 The date and the wreath both have XF details, but the rest of the coin is VF to VF+. I would have graded it VF35, maybe XF40. The date is the best part of the coin. It jumps out at you... Nice one Matt. I'll give you $20 right now for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostDutchman Posted July 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 This is a later die state coin... The reverse is rotated causing some of the unevenness in the strike. The date usually is one of the weaker struck areas on this particular coin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostDutchman Posted July 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Nice one Matt. I'll give you $20 right now for it. I think you forgot some zeros.... and then doubling it... and then some... hahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vfox Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 I'd call it an Xf-40-45 taking in account the strike, but it appears to have been corroded or something. Or is that just toning? At anyrate it's a really nice example of a hard-to-find-in-that/any-condition coin. Btw, what is CAC? I'm TPG-slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostDutchman Posted July 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Im not quite sure if its some light corrosion or just a crappy planchet... Basically the CAC is another service that will only sticker coins that they think are graded correctly. The green sticker means that the coin confirms to their "more strict" standards and they have a gold sticker that says that the coin is exceptional for the grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vfox Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Im not quite sure if its some light corrosion or just a crappy planchet... Basically the CAC is another service that will only sticker coins that they think are graded correctly. The green sticker means that the coin confirms to their "more strict" standards and they have a gold sticker that says that the coin is exceptional for the grade. Sounds like another way for TPG's to empty our wallets.... Do you think this deserves a better grade, or no? I grade mine as a Vf-30ish details with micro-corrosion...so maybe I'm way off lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numismatic nut Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 The top half of the bust looks off, but the rest of the coin looks nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumisMattic2200 Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 You guys are undergrading the coin I'd give it MS-68 easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vfox Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 If you're on ebay....I can name a few lol....it would be 70 right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiho Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 I think you forgot some zeros.... and then doubling it... and then some... hahahaha Can't blame me for trying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numismatic nut Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 I think you forgot some zeros.... and then doubling it... and then some... hahahaha I'd offer 20.0,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneydog Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 I think LDM's coin is a EF-40 and vfox has an AU-58 (slider) I'd give $70.00 for either one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vfox Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 I think LDM's coin is a EF-40 and vfox has an AU-58 (slider) I'd give $70.00 for either one. It would be nice if mine was an au-58.....but it has some wear on the hair/cheek/forehead/ribbon/shoulder/wreath/rim. I may be undergrading this at an Vf-30, but I grade US coins hard. I still think accounting for strike Matt has the nicer coin though. I also think you may be waiting a while to buy either of these for $70. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneydog Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 I kindive figured I would. I know what they are worth. One is 4 figure's the other is 5 figure's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vfox Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 I kindive figured I would. I know what they are worth. One is 4 figure's the other is 5 figure's Mine is till in the three figure mark by far....if I'm lucky half way to the four digit...but I doubt that. Matts coin on the otherhand is likely a five figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneydog Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Don't sell yours short it would go in the low to mid four figure's. Matts will go in the low five figure's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostDutchman Posted July 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 the 1799 just sold today for $49,500... a very undervalued coin in the price guides and the greysheets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vfox Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 the 1799 just sold today for $49,500... a very undervalued coin in the price guides and the greysheets. Wow, that's a good deal more than I expected. I didn't think it would be over 35,000. I wish I had the oppurtunity to work in a coin shop like yours Matt. It must be great to have all these rare gems passing around. Thing about mine is that it is a common date and dark. It's smooth, but I think it has micro-corrosion which also hurts it, I also grade these hard and take in account the strike and rims. I paid less than $275 for mine and likely wouldn't get much over what I paid if I ever went to sell it. I'm not saying it's not a nice coin, I just think it's too common of a year and variety to bring much value over what I paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneydog Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 I was thinking about 30,000 to 35,000, for sure the price guides missed it on that one. I still think vfox's coin is worth a 1,000 at least. Red book has a large date large fraction VF-20 $1,000.00 and an EF-40 at $2,750.00. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vfox Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 I was thinking about 30,000 to 35,000, for sure the price guides missed it on that one. I still think vfox's coin is worth a 1,000 at least. Red book has a large date large fraction VF-20 $1,000.00 and an EF-40 at $2,750.00. Redbook is interesting like that. As in, If I could get redbook prices for my collection I would sell everything I own. I go by bluebook and graysheet prices along with trends I see on eBay and Heritage. Redbook is a great reference, but I think they need to re-do the pricing structure in the book. In fact my 1999 redbook, aside from gold and silver bullion, is getting closest to what people are willing to pay, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoRnholio Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Redbook is interesting like that. As in, If I could get redbook prices for my collection I would sell everything I own. I go by bluebook and graysheet prices along with trends I see on eBay and Heritage. Redbook is a great reference, but I think they need to re-do the pricing structure in the book. In fact my 1999 redbook, aside from gold and silver bullion, is getting closest to what people are willing to pay, lol. So redbook is like the "sticker" price on a car then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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