RW Julian Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 Anyone else think that this one is not genuine ? : http://cgi.ebay.com/Grosh-1727_W0QQitemZ17...1QQcmdZViewItem One would think that the die cutter could have done a better job with the letter O in GROSH. RWJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kisenish Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 I believe it's a pure fantasy piece made rather at the end of XX century or even later not worth even several bucks (it's better to eat a good wrap for this money ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 Bob, theroretically, there are 3 possiblilities: ORIGINAL, NOVODEL, IMITATION. An ORIGINAL should have the reticulated edge (and not the clumsy irregular screwdriver impressions shown. I know of no such edge in Russian numismatics). Further the 7s in the date are not the style of the time. Thirdly: Extemely rare coins are most often in extremely nice condition (having been spotted early, if issued at all). So in my opinion it's not an original. A NOVODEL would have been a much more careful job than what we see. Here even more the impossibly poor edge speaks against a novodel. Thirdly, the condition is not a novodel's. I've never seen a novodel as worn as this item. I find no argument against this item being an IMITATION. It is, however a seductive thing and would have been even more so had the seller not shown the edge. Unfortunately, not many eBay offers contain the edge. And not all sellers provide it upon request. Best, Sigi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgorS Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 A NOVODEL would have been a much more careful job than what we see. Here even more the impossibly poor edge speaks against a novodel. Thirdly, the condition is not a novodel's. I've never seen a novodel as worn as this item.<br> Here is a novodel I used to have that is pretty worn, and it comes from the famous Klingert collection. I assume it was worn off back than on purpose, in order to sell it as original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Snyder Posted November 12, 2006 Report Share Posted November 12, 2006 Here is a novodel I used to have that is pretty worn, and it comes from the famous Klingert collection. I assume it was worn off back than on purpose, in order to sell it as original. Hello Igor, Thanks for showing us the interesting novodel! Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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