kisenish Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 _____________________________________________________ EDIT: Names and auction-numbers have been deleted. You can not say someone is perpetrating a fraud without legal proof. -Tane _____________________________________________________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobh Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 Добро пожаловать, kisenish! Thank you VERY much for this information ... By the way, since we last communicated, I managed to find a 1902 poltina. You can see it here, along with some other Russian coins in my collection: My Coin Gallery. I'm always interested in good coins from the period of Nicholas II, and especially the 50 kopeek pieces. There is a 1909 poltina for sale right now on eBay, but it has already gone out of my reach, I am afraid (overbid by someone in Russia ... maybe the Russian National Bank is trying to buy it??). Good luck with this scammer, and also with your own coins! I always like to look at your auctions, even if I can't always buy something. And hopefully, we will hear more from you in the future! There are some fine collectors and even well-known authorities (R.W. Julian, for example) who frequent this forum, as I am sure you have noticed. _____________________________________________________ EDIT: Parts of the text has been removed. -Tane _____________________________________________________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kisenish Posted July 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 Hi Bob, Nive to meet you here! Greetings, Alexey _____________________________________________________ EDIT: Names, internet-addresses and auction-numbers have been deleted. -Tane _____________________________________________________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobh Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 Good detective work! _____________________________________________________ EDIT: Parts of the text has been removed. -Tane _____________________________________________________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kisenish Posted July 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 _____________________________________________________ EDIT: Names and auction-numbers have been deleted. You can not say someone is perpetrating a fraud without legal proof. -Tane _____________________________________________________ To the admin: Of course, I have a legal proof - the coin I reported is in my safe I just wanted to protect the buyers from the evident fraud but you are hindering me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kisenish Posted July 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 Hi again, This time I will try to conform to the forum rules What do you think, are these the same coins? For me, they look pretty similar: http://cgi.ebay.de/Kreuzrubel-1725-Peter-I...7QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.de/RUSSIAN-COIN-SILVER-ROU...1QQcmdZViewItem Interestingly, all the coins offered by this seller you can find in shops on eBay.de What do you think about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akdrv Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 Alexey, welcome to CoinPeople. I greatly appreciate your desire to protect the buyers from obvious fraud. You did the right thing by informing eBay of these auctions. They will cancel the auctions and hopefully ban the seller. However, there are some legal liability issues that prevent us from publishing this type of information on the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akdrv Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 This time I will try to conform to the forum rules Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 Hi again, This time I will try to conform to the forum rules What do you think, are these the same coins? For me, they look pretty similar: http://cgi.ebay.de/Kreuzrubel-1725-Peter-I...7QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.de/RUSSIAN-COIN-SILVER-ROU...1QQcmdZViewItem Interestingly, all the coins offered by this seller you can find in shops on eBay.de What do you think about? I find it interesting that the 2 coins appear to have identical toning, identical marks and an identical flan flaw, all in the identical locations. It sure looks like the same coin to me and I find it exceedingly difficult to understand how any fair and reasonable person could reach a different conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kisenish Posted July 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 Hi grivna1726, Thanks a lot for your support! What do you think about this pair: http://cgi.ebay.de/RUSSIA-IMPERIAL-25-KOPE...1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.de/Alexander-III-25-Kopeke...7QQcmdZViewItem or this one: http://cgi.ebay.de/RUSSIAN-COIN-SILVER-ROU...1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.de/Alexander-II-1-Rubel-18...7QQcmdZViewItem These and other items are located in Germany, I contacted the real seller today, you should have heard his voice he was so angry Beware of bidding on items of this seller! Greetings guys, that's a nice forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 Hi grivna1726, Thanks a lot for your support! What do you think about this pair: http://cgi.ebay.de/RUSSIA-IMPERIAL-25-KOPE...1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.de/Alexander-III-25-Kopeke...7QQcmdZViewItem or this one: http://cgi.ebay.de/RUSSIAN-COIN-SILVER-ROU...1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.de/Alexander-II-1-Rubel-18...7QQcmdZViewItem These and other items are located in Germany, I contacted the real seller today, you should have heard his voice he was so angry Beware of bidding on items of this seller! Greetings guys, that's a nice forum! They also look like the same coins to me. Thank you for posting these listings. Hopefully, ebay will pull the auctions and close the offending account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RW Julian Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 Hi grivna1726, Thanks a lot for your support! What do you think about this pair: http://cgi.ebay.de/RUSSIA-IMPERIAL-25-KOPE...1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.de/Alexander-III-25-Kopeke...7QQcmdZViewItem or this one: http://cgi.ebay.de/RUSSIAN-COIN-SILVER-ROU...1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.de/Alexander-II-1-Rubel-18...7QQcmdZViewItem These and other items are located in Germany, I contacted the real seller today, you should have heard his voice he was so angry Beware of bidding on items of this seller! Greetings guys, that's a nice forum! Many thanks for the warning. One of the more bizarre fakes can be found at http://cgi.ebay.com/1827-Nikolaus-I-1825-1...1QQcmdZViewItem Here the counterfeiter accidentally put the diacritical mark over the O in POLS rather than KROL (on the reverse) as should have been done. The seller is in Romania but this material probably originates in Belarus. RWJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RW Julian Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 Another interesting piece can be found at: http://cgi.ebay.com/1796-Original-copper-4...1QQcmdZViewItem This exact coin was published as a fake in the Newsletter of the Russian Numismatic Society #12, fall 2003. RWJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banivechi Posted July 14, 2006 Report Share Posted July 14, 2006 Many thanks for the warning. One of the more bizarre fakes can be found at http://cgi.ebay.com/1827-Nikolaus-I-1825-1...1QQcmdZViewItem Here the counterfeiter accidentally put the diacritical mark over the O in POLS rather than KROL (on the reverse) as should have been done. The seller is in Romania but this material probably originates in Belarus. RWJ This romanian seller warns (in Romanian language) the eventually Romanian bidders about the very expensive postal fees (8 $!).For the most expensive postal fee inside Romania (express registered mail Prioripost) you may pay max. 3$. For this reason I think that this fake coin probably is not in Romania, the seller is only an intermediar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RW Julian Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 http://cgi.ebay.com/1827-Nikolaus-I-1825-1...1QQcmdZViewItem Here the counterfeiter accidentally put the diacritical mark over the O in POLS rather than KROL (on the reverse) as should have been done. The seller is in Romania but this material probably originates in Belarus. RWJ It does not pay to post too quickly. The mistake is on the obverse! RWJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobh Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 Well, mariavoneva has sold well over US-$15,000 in rare Russian coins today. Most of the auctions have ended, but there are still some goodies going for US-$2,000 or more (ancient gold, mostly) ... don't miss your chance!! (ha, ha) I wonder if this account has been hacked? It is a bit strange that a seller of such coins would dump so many on the market at a time when most people with common sense (such as the eBay police) are sunning at the beach and enjoying a respite from eBay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RW Julian Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Well, mariavoneva has sold well over US-$15,000 in rare Russian coins today. Most of the auctions have ended, but there are still some goodies going for US-$2,000 or more (ancient gold, mostly) ... don't miss your chance!! (ha, ha) I wonder if this account has been hacked? It is a bit strange that a seller of such coins would dump so many on the market at a time when most people with common sense (such as the eBay police) are sunning at the beach and enjoying a respite from eBay? It will be interesting to follow the feedback on these auctions. RWJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kisenish Posted July 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Hello RW Julian, Thanks a lot for other warnings! Especially the 4 Kopeks Cipher Series looked not so bad to me Especially compared with all the other fakes of 1796 offered on eBay Greetings, kisenish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kisenish Posted July 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Hi everybody, I received today the e-mail from the real owner of the coins sold by mariavoneva. He is shocked and want to consult a lawyer. Actually, we both have the address of this seller, as he bought some small coins from us some time ago. kisenish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RW Julian Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Hi everybody,I received today the e-mail from the real owner of the coins sold by mariavoneva. He is shocked and want to consult a lawyer. Actually, we both have the address of this seller, as he bought some small coins from us some time ago. kisenish I checked a few of the auctions by "mariavoneva" and found that several individuals had withdrawn their bids, some quite large; I suspect that the bidders had read the material posted here. Even though it appears that some will lose money, others have been saved from losing theirs. Had kisenish not posted this warning, the losses would have been higher. RWJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted July 16, 2006 Report Share Posted July 16, 2006 Unfortunately, this is one post that I must agree that the content should NOT have been deleted. I was fortunately warned in advanced because of THIS post and made a wise decision thanks to kisenish. I indeed agree with Julian that there were many major regular buyers out that I noticed that whom thought they were getting something there. If this really turned out to be a major scam, the amount of time to deal with such scam is no joke. I unfortunately fell into one such case in the past and it took a grand total of 2 months just to deal with it, which is not something to be proud of. Numismatic wise, what that seller offered are not typical coins that one can find easily, and perhaps such collections are normally offered by a major auction house - seldom by a single individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RW Julian Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Another 1796 copy, a 4 kopecks but from different dies from the one reported earlier in this thread: http://cgi.ebay.com/Russian-Imperial-4-Kop...1QQcmdZViewItem The seller says it is genuine but when one reads the conditions for return, it is practically impossible to do so. These are, I think, made in Russia and it is said that they are on sale for a small sum. The letter "H" [= Novodel] is an instant give-away to the status of this piece. RWJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RW Julian Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 For some uncertain reason the above eBay address (in the preceding message) does not come up when clicked on. The alternate way is to go to the Russian section of eBay (U.S.), put in the date of 1796 and click on search. The item is in the eBay Store. RWJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bobh Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 I received a reply today from the other seller whose coin photos had been used by mariavoneva, and it appears that mariavoneva is no longer registered with eBay (NARU'ed). Also, this seller has informed me that they have filed charges against mariavoneva with the German police authorities. Hopefully, they (eBay) will now do something right for a change and refund everyone's money who already paid, and inform those who haven't yet paid that they shouldn't do so. But without kisenish's warning, who knows what path this might have taken?? BRAVO, kisenish!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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