hiho Posted May 6, 2010 Report Share Posted May 6, 2010 Actually Swiss shooting medals are still being made, but IMHO they are not as nice as those from the classical era like those Holy Freres pieces. Believe it or not I didn't pay him to say that. We are simply men of impeccable taste and upbringing. I haven't found a new Holy Freres medal in over a year. Someone please sell me one. PLEASE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zohar Posted May 14, 2010 Report Share Posted May 14, 2010 Canton: Aargau 1899 Cantonal Shooting Festival at Wohlen Richter 25a Composition: Silver Diameter: 45mm Design: Franz Homberg Mintage: 529 Canton: Bern 1893 West Swiss Shooting Festival at Biel Richter 225a Composition: Silver Diameter: 45mm Design: Franz Homberg Mintage: 1186 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schutzenfester Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 As an FYI, the 1840 Solothurn is a jeton rather than a shooting medal. It was not awarded as a shooting prize. It is R434d, I believe it is the 'd' variety, 23mm and 4.3 grams. It is considered to have a rarity of R according to Richter. I too have this jeton and it is one of my favorites! I also have the 1949 medal, I appreciate the shape and I have several other 1949 Chur pieces. Latest additions: The first was issued for Chur (1949). The second is really tiny for a shooting medal (23mm) and was issued for the fest at Solothurn in 1840. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted May 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 As an FYI, the 1840 Solothurn is a jeton rather than a shooting medal. It was not awarded as a shooting prize. It is R434d, I beleive it is the 'd' variety, 23mm and 4.3 grams. It is considered to have a rarity of R according to Richter. I too have this jeton and it is one of my favorites! I also have the 1949 medal, I appreciate the shape and I have several other 1949 Chur pieces. Thanks for the info. Much appreciated. I'm intrigued by the small medalet being classified as a `jeton'. Why would this have been issued? Who would have been gifted these (or were they sold?). Normally a jeton would be issued on a grace and favour basis to officials or VIP's to mark a event. Is that the case with this one? Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schutzenfester Posted June 6, 2010 Report Share Posted June 6, 2010 Thanks for the info. Much appreciated. I'm intrigued by the small medalet being classified as a `jeton'. Why would this have been issued? Who would have been gifted these (or were they sold?). Normally a jeton would be issued on a grace and favour basis to officials or VIP's to mark a event. Is that the case with this one? Ian Shooting jetons were the currency of the shoot. Schützenfest entrants used jetons to pay for - entrance fees, targets, ammunition, food and drinks etc. during the shoot. They would have to purchase jetons from the shooting committee. Few had face value but most did not. This was so the jetons could be used again at another/next shoot. Perhaps they were worth a franc; however I am unsure of the value of jetons without face value. There were numerous jetons per shoot including paper jetons of which I have several examples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted June 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 another couple of medals new to my collection Biel 1893 this one struck in bronze (800 minted in bronze) Fribourg 1905 struck in silver (300 minted). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedeadpoint Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 I've seen far fewer bronze medals than silver. Is there a reason for that? I assume that silver is nicer but was cheap enough to use too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiho Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 Beautiful 1905 Fribourg medal Ian, nicer than mine. (Catalog number is Richter 420.) This medal has two obverse die varieties. The first is signed "HOLY FRERES" on the obverse and that's the one you have pictured. The second is signed "Holy Frs" on the obverse. I have no idea which is common and which is scarce. Both are pictured at the bottom of page 5 of this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiho Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 I've seen far fewer bronze medals than silver. Is there a reason for that? I assume that silver is nicer but was cheap enough to use too. The bronze medals are usually harder to find than the silver ones, and are usually worth more. Want a real challenge? Try and find the gold Schutzenfest medals from the early 1900's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saor Alba Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 The bronze medals are usually harder to find than the silver ones, and are usually worth more. Want a real challenge? Try and find the gold Schutzenfest medals from the early 1900's. I have seen a few of the gold ones, Northeastcoins had a couple recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiho Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 I have seen a few of the gold ones, Northeastcoins had a couple recently. Excellent website, thanks for the heads up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schutzenfester Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 It's scary to see those kind of prices but nice at the same time. (website above) Prices have been going up since the publication of Richters books. Realized and asked prices are consistently matching Richters prices in his set. While this is not that good for buyers it is great for sellers and the hobby as a whole. I still feel that many medal prices are inflated, especially on the bay but when I see people paying prices that I have never come close to I see that the hobby has moved to the next level and that my collection has increased in value proportionally! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiho Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 It's scary to see those kind of prices but nice at the same time... Amen Rod. I did buy two nice Holy Freres medals (1906 Thurgau-Arbon and 1913 Thurgau-Weinfelden) that I needed but at almost double the Richter catalog price. I offered their price -20% and they agreed to about -10%. I have wanted the Weinfelden since I first saw it in the Richter catalog. As nice as these people are I would rather have bought these from Rod or his dad. But I cleaned them out of all their nice Holy Freres stuff long ago! I'll post photos of the new medals here as soon as I receive them. PS - Saor Alba, I definitely owe you one. I haven't bought a new Holy Freres medal in over a year and because of you I now have two new ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saor Alba Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 Actually Northeast are great to deal with, they will at least work with you on price and they do well with customer service. I have bought some very rare Scottish medals from them over the past few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zohar Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 Canton: Aargau 1899 Cantonal Shooting Festival at Wohlen Richter 25a Composition: Silver Diameter: 45mm Design: Franz Homberg Mintage: 529 NGC MS-64 Canton: Bern 1893 West Swiss Shooting Festival at Biel Richter 225a Composition: Silver Diameter: 45mm Design: Franz Homberg Mintage: 1186 NGC MS-63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedeadpoint Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 I really like the 1899 designs. both sides are refreshingly original but still retain the maiden, cityscape, shield, and weapon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiho Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Actually Northeast are great to deal with, they will at least work with you on price and they do well with customer service. I have bought some very rare Scottish medals from them over the past few years. They are very nice people and eager to please. The Weinfelden in hand is absolutely breathtaking and I couldn't be happier with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zohar Posted June 22, 2010 Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 These 2 came in from NGC. The first was sent in knowing it has been cleaned yet believe the slab will preserve it from picking up dust given the low mintage. Canton: Soluthurn Year 1890 Solothurn Kantonal Schützenfest Richter-1121c, Marting: 645, Krause: 220 Design: Hugues Bovy Diameter: 45mm Composition: Bronze Mintage: 860 Grade: AU Details I am a bit dissapointed with the second which I felt was clear, yet these seem harder to find at times termed "so called shooting taler" not medal. 1849 Federal Shooting Festival, Aarau Richter - 1b Martin - 1 Krause - 1 37mm, Silver Mintage: 1,200 UNC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedeadpoint Posted June 22, 2010 Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 I'll take the first one although there is no lovely lass in it. Yummm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zohar Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 I ran across this one incidentally and went for it. It is a German shooting medal with a fabulous design in my opinion. I collect Swiss Shooting Medals and this is a bit outside my focus, yet a definite keeper! I am excited. German Empire, City of Ulm The opening of the new firing range, 12th-16th May 1904 Klippe Medal Medallist: F. Miller 43.2 g; 32x32 mm City view all over!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedeadpoint Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Wow! Do you have a map of the areas that issued schooting medals? I assume it was a stronger tradition in certain regions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiho Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 Wow! Do you have a map of the areas that issued schooting medals? I assume it was a stronger tradition in certain regions. All of Switzerland, parts of Germany, France and the Netherlands, and Argentina. And probably many more countries that I am unaware of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burda-graph Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 You lost shooting medals from Austria Its serval times more then Germany. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schutzenfester Posted June 27, 2010 Report Share Posted June 27, 2010 You lost shooting medals from Austria Its serval times more then Germany. Even though my main area of interest is Swiss schützenfest medals, I also collect shooting medals from other countries. Below is the list of countries in order of my preference: 1. Switzerland 2. Austria 3. France 4. Germany 5. United States Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedeadpoint Posted June 27, 2010 Report Share Posted June 27, 2010 Hey guys, I started a new thread for shooting medals from non-Swiss regions. I'd love to see examples of them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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