Vfox

Nice coin WCG.

Gxseries, I picked up my first 5 kopek today 1766 in Vg-F ish condition. Thought you might appreciate that.

1724!

1724 and 1717 is all I have. Blah.

Jeesh, that's a nice Saint Jeff. I still don't own even one! Maybe when I get a real job and graduate from school eh?

Sold Jeff an old style $50 FRN, it was, as always, paid for very fast.

Series 2003 New York district $1 note, numbered B06206300F. It's not often I find anything that goes in any sort of order, so a semi-ladder note was a nice find.

Okay, here are some more photos I've looked through and found die markers for. These are generally poorly made fakes, except the two seated dollars, which are very well made, but show a generally weak strike overall.

Die scratches, die breaks, doubled star, rim blobs

Notch in S, die scratches

Rim blob, denticles turn into little circles then into denticles again

Flat bottom to O, die gouge, small mark in A, ribbon weak/missing in places

This is a horrible fake, odd nose, multiple die scratches, weak lettering

Weak lettering, multiple die scratches, edge design missing in spots, lumpy lettering/die

Multiple large die gouges

Die gouges, Large die crack in shield, G partially missing

Is that yours?

Haha, I wish, it's just a photo I found online. Mine in my omnicoin is like a F+ or so.

Great info, Vfox -- thanks a lot!

 

Wasn't there something about the eagle's eye that is different on the genuine vs. the usual counterfeits? I remember reading about it on one of the other coin newsgroups (rec.collecting.coins, probably) but have no idea where that information came from, and I can't remember the details.

I'm not sure. I'd also hope that this is a useful guide to anyone looking to purchase any of these coins, so if it gets stickied I'd be happy. I have many more images I'm looking through as well, so expect more soon.

Here is a shot of a legit trade dollar for comparison.

Here are some counterfeit die variations of trade dollars I've spotted. They use what appears to be different dies for each obverse but I've noticed only a few variations within the reverse dies. Most of these may be the same die that has been retooled or something, but I've noted a few things that standout.

S mint with a die clash behind the S. It appears to be a draped bust die, not a trade dollar die from the shape of the clashing. I wonder if the mixed them up and then realized it and quickly removed the coin blank, resulting in the clashed die. No clue.

Pitted dies leave raised marks on coins

O is doubled, dot above N, missing lower portion of ribbon

Die crack by F and N, blob near rim

Die crack

Rim blob

Pitted dies leave raised marks on coins

Die gouge and chunk missing from O, crack by E

I've been tinkering around the net lately and found dozen of photos of counterfeits. The most notable to me are the Chinese-based counterfeits being produced in very large amounts. As you can imagine these range from crude junk to very deceptive recreations.

Ebay is a large venue for these coins and are sold as a replica/copy. All the dealers claim to have their coins stamped as such so they can be sold and imported into the US. Obviously the stamping occurs after the initial strike from the set of dies.

I will give them this much at least, most sell them as replicas and have them stamped so no one can pass them as the real thing. To me this is fine and dandy and just like any other replica coin company. However, the people who sell the ones without a stamp are giving criminals a chance to pass a counterfeit off as a legitimate coin, and I don't condone that. A novice could easily be out hundreds of dollars because of this.

I've also seen counterfeiting work of a lesser scale from all over the world and a vast amount of contemporary counterfeits.

I think it would be a good idea to post some photos of counterfeits and "replica" coins to use as a reference guide. I will do my best to point out details from the photos I post to use as die markers in an attempt to help educate everyone best I can. If you collect counterfeits, honestly I feel you are welcome to them, but I would hate to be the one who paid lots of money for a coin that turns out to be a fake.

I would also like to enlist everyone else who has a photo or has found a photo of a coin I did not cover.

Here are a few things I've noticed so far. (All photos are of copies/replicas/counterfeits and are from the internet, most from eBay) These die markers are on every coin I've seen, both reeded and lettered edge. This doesn't mean these are the only dies they use, just the most commonly sold ones on the internet.

All the draped bust small eagle copies of this die set(1795-1797) have an extra curl of hair near the date. Also note that these appear to be struck within a collar which wasn't introduced until something like the 1830's. The denticles should go all the way to the edge, but form a rim instead.

1795 Has an additional die blob at the end of the circled star.

1796 die breaks at stars

1797 die crack across chest

1798 missing bottom of L and bust is too small

1799 die break at rim and on nose (wart-like)

Better 1799 die crack in Liberty and funky shaped star

Reverse better 1799 pitted die leaves raised marks and F looks funky

Rim of better 1799 is worked fairly well but appears to have a beveled rim (all modern coins struck in a collar and ran through an edger has this effect)

1800 doubled B and E odd star and odd shaped 00 in 1800

Rim seems too perfectly lettered and doesn't appear to be deep enough into coins surface.

I got...squat. But I did pick up a junk draped bust cent for $3. It's not dated, just the head is outlined and you can only see the bottom of the wreath. It goes into the pocket with my junk draped bust half cent hehe.

Thanks guys. I especially like the bisecting die cracks on the obverse even if it would probably be worth about 3 times as much without them.

Give me ANY coin riddled with die cracks and I will be happy. I love seeing die deterioration, it shows more history than a crisply struck coin in my opinion.

Ditto on the 1808!

Tritto! ....uh....tripto? .......I like it!

2003A series $1 note with serial number 16666666.....almost perfect....meh.

Traded some star notes for some Mexican beauties. Thanks Jeff!

Nice heap, looks like my collection when I was buying bundles. It's great to have loads of fairly cheap notes, I love having stacks of the stuff.

Unless Lincoln was a cross dresser, I doubt the 83 "near beads" would be a US coin. Who knows in todays random coin titles though right?

I'm a male, age 19, almost 20. I put that I was married, although its not legal for me to marry my fiance.

Not legal? Oh wait, nvm I just saw what state you're in.....unless I really am just confused here, lol.

Male, 24, engaged(I just put serious relationship). And as Thedeadpoint and Cestrin, in college.

I think most of the people are male, most are between 20 and 60, and most are in a relationship of somesort. Generally anyway.

Just added this interesting 1959 Indonesia 50 Rupiah with serial number 50 ME 05555. Lots of 5s and prefix 50 that matches 50 Rupiah plus a meaningful "ME" letter prefix.

 

I love that note, one of my favs. I have one stuck into my glass coffee table! .........just not a solid.

Someone asking half a million with no previous feedback on an uncertified coin, yikes. Btw Lemmy, we are trying for coins only in your personal collection for this thread. Welcome to CP as well.

The Serbian notes are fun, I only have one but the design and orientation make for a really interesting note. Nice heap! Now only if I could find bundles of pre WWII German currency like that, lol.

Indeed, those Russian notes from the first part of the 1900's (and before if you can find them) are gorgeous. Have you ever seen the 100 and 500r, those things are HUGE.

I'll show you my 1739 if you show me yours...

 

Seriously, I only have three coins from the 1600's, and after my 1739's I only have a 1727, 1723, 1712 and 1707.

Hiho and I got this covered. Word.

This coin is awful lol.

All I have is 1739, 1724, 1717, and then all my dates get lost in translation until 1660, lol.