Ian

1614 double liard from Bouillon et Sedan

1618 'orte' from Danzig, complete with hole.

1617 silver jeton issued for the Conseil du Roi (Kings Counsel)

1616 silver daalder from Utrecht, Netherlands

over to somebody else for now.......

1619 `cuivre jaune' (yellow copper /brass) jeton issued for the `Conseil du Roi'. Poor quality, but 1619 and one step further backwards.

Back in July last year I had the good fortune to strike a deal with a poster for the purchase of some shooting medals. These finally arrived with me last week, courtesy of a good friend in the US of A. My photographic skills are legendary......for being pure sh*te that is, so i'm sticking to using my trusty scanner. Even my poor skills can't dull the sheer majesty of these items. They are as follows:

1891 Bern (Burgdorf) by Homberg (ref Krause 63 / Richter 215) mintage 1,656 in silver

1894 Bern ((Thun) by Homberg (ref Krause 68 / Richter 228) mintage 1,452 in silver

1887 Geneva by Lossier (ref Krause 109 / Richter 628) mintage 4,354 in bronze

1896 Geneva by Bovy (ref Krause 120 / Richter 691) mintage1,202 in bronze

1890 Thurgau (Frauenfeld) by Bovy (ref Krause 228 / Richter 1250) mintage 4,500 in bronze

I love it when I remember that I have a coin that I had forgotten about.

Not sure if it is too many coins or old age setting in that causes this, perhaps a combination of both.

 

Nice Pisa Tallero there Ian. I wonder if I have one of those?

you should maybe go and check in your collection as i did ........here's the 1622 I mentioned:

in the interim, moving forward here's a 1620 silver escalin from the Brabant (Spanish Netherlands).

Nice! I like the early Frankfurt talers. Real money. Your posting just reminded me that I have a 1622 of that very same type.

a few from me for 1621

1. A Tallero of ferdinand II de Medici issued for Pisa.

2. A silver jeton of Marie de Medici, mother of Louis XIII and issued as Queen Regent.

3. A large 60 silver 60 kreuzer , crudely struck as ever for this issue.

Hi Ian, wish I was able to read & understand french better. Could a possible explaination for the Chancellory being used, & not the Conseil du Roi, be the power struggle behind the scenes between the Queen Mother & the Kings brother trying to destroy Richelieu in 1630. I don't know if that makes sense at all. Also I believe that I read somewhere that the King was unwell and it was Richelieu that ordered the invasion of Savoy in 1630.

 

I almost forgot, what a great collection you have!!!

Thanks again. I had thought that the 1632 jeton was more probably related to the routing of the Kings brother Gaston, Duc D'Orlean and Henri Duc de Montmorency (who was subsequently captured, imprisoned at Toulouse and subsequently put to death for treason)....Richelieu certainly knew how to make friends and influence people

To catch up with the rest of the thread, here's another silver jeton dated 1623. I'm not sure if the reverse design is associated with any particular part of the administration. my suspicions are that it was a`stock' jeton. That is, a design that was struck and held in rreserve against the need to make up any shortfall in requirements elsewhere.

(snip) This article shows that the 1631 jeton was an official one issued for the invasion of Savoy 1630-1631 and they believed that the 1632 jeton was an unofficial jeton just using the design of the 1631 jeton. LINK TO THE ARTICLE The Peace of Cherasco which put an end to the second Monferrato war, drawn up in April 1631 by Emperor Ferdinand III, Louis XIII of France, and Vittorio Amedeo I, Duke of Savoy. So the 1632 jeton was struck after the Peace Treaty.

I am once more profoundly impressed by your research abilities. Many thanks indeed. I could find absolutely nothing when I searched for data concerning the 1631. 1632 is the only date listed in Feuardent, and Mitchiner for the legend, which is in itself a little strange given that the 1632 appears to be subject of debate in relation to its bon fides. The article you have found confirms the association of the 1631 reverse with Savoy, but for me raises questions as to why it is matched with the Chancellory as opposed to for example the `Conseil du Roi' (?). I suspect there may be more to the story behind this one just waiting to be unravelled.

Ian

Ian - Thats a neat design on that 1631 silver jeton.

 

Here's a 1632 with the same reverse detail, but in better nick. The 1631 is a real emigma though. The explanation i've been presented with in the past for the reverse of the 1632 is that it relates to the taking of Saluces (Savoy) that same year, yet the 1631 jeton pre- dates that event. Clearly the design has nothing to do with events in Savoy in 1632.

 

1625 silver jeton issued to mark the marriage between Charles I of Great Britain, and Henrietta Marie of France

1627 silver Patagon minted in Artois (rat mint mark above crown on dated side) for Arras. Followed by a silver jeton issued for Pierre Le Marchant, the Treasurer general of france at that time and Kings Counsellor to Louis XIII.

1629 silver teston of Charles IV, Duc de Lorraine.

Things seem to have gone quiet again of late re this thread.

Here's a bit of an enigma. A 1631 silver jeton that doesn't appear to be listed for that date in either Feuardent or Mitchiner.

a bit of a doggie this one, but the date is relevant . A 1634 double tournois from Lowenstein Werthein Rochefort (Cugnon mint Luxembourg).

....followed closely with a silver Patagon dated 1633 from Brabant in the Spanish Netherlands

a few fench coppers:

1638 double tournois from Dombes featuring Gaston de Dombes

1637 and 1636 double tournois from Avignon featuring Pope Urbanus VIII

1635 double tournois from Bouillon et Sedan featuring Maurice de la Tour

Moving swiftly on, (there's someone somewhere keen to get a 1638 coin on view.......) Here's a 1639 1/4 franc of Louis XIII. The date is barely there unfortunately but the bottom of the 3 and 9 are perceptible in the legend. As with many silver coins of the time, `shaving' was a common occurrence, and this coin seems to have been subject to that practise. The coin type is fairly difficult to come across in a collectable condition.

Love the Anne of Austria 1640 jetons Ian, I assume the two large linked palms with a smaller one between symbolizes the King, Queen & Dauphin.

They are definitely `up there' in my favourites too. the design is however drawn from an earlier Marie de Medici jeton which I think I have somewhere in my collection (memory is such a fickle thing! ) .

You are absolutely correct about the palms.. They do indeed represent the King (Louis XIII), Queen (Anne of Austria) and the `Dauphin' (2 year old Louis, later to be Louis XIV, aka `sun king'). Although the birth of Anne's second son was in September 1640 (Philippe D'Anjou, better known as Philippe Duc D'Orleans), these jetons had nothing to do with that particular event, having been designed the year before and issued in the early part of 1640.

1641 double tournois from the French Principality of Orange sporting Friedrich Henry , father of William of Orange followed by a 1641 double tournois from Boisebelle et Heindrichmont sporting HMaximillian De Bethune, Duc de Sully.

1640 silver jeton issued for the household of Anne of Austria, Queen of France, followed by the same jeton in yellow copper

1642 jeton (Conseil du Roi) -- Les Coeurs Fidèles. The three hearts represent the alliance between France, Holland and ... England?

Hi Frank,

I've seen mention of this `triple' alliance explanation for the three hearts. However to me that does not make much sense and I can't find any solid reference for that theory. I could be wrong though (often am!)

1642 would more likely have seen an alliance between Portugal, France and England against Spain. England and Netherlands were too much at each others throats over foreign colonies that year.

To my mind, it is much more likely that the three hearts on your jeton relate to the `Three Estates' (Administration, Law and Military). The design of `Les Coeurs Fideles' was also used by Louis XIV a few years later in relation to the `Fronde', that period of time relating to the civil wars. The design was calling upon the `fidelity' of the three estates towards the King. The one below circa 1648.

Another possibility for the `three hearts' on the 1642 jeton was the deaths of both Marie de Medici (Louis XIII mother) and Richelieu in 1642. Perhaps a gesture on Louis XIII's part to reconcile (in her dealth) the exile of his mother due to her resistance to the power of Richelieu and the influence he had over her son?

Speaking of Richelieu, here's a neat 1642 jeton commemorating his internment in the chapel of the Sorbonne.....

No probs with dates for now. Here's a few more in the hope that some of you guys will be able to add your own.

1646 - Yellow copper jeton de presence issued for Jean Scarron, the then Mayor of Paris

1645 - a silver 1/4 ecu Paris mint (point after date) and a 1645 1/12th ecu Paris mint (rose after date)

1644 - a silver jeton issued for gaston D'Orleans, the Uncle and regent for the young Louis XIV

1643 - Silver jeton de presence issued for Nancy Town Council. Nice `city view' type.

OK guys, I finally managed to get some of my collection unpacked and found this one which hopefully will be of some interest to you. A reasonable condition for a silver schilling from Lucerne in Switzerland.....dated 1647!

Let the show go on!

There were quite a few series of jetons issued for various bodies based at Le Chatelet in Paris during the reigns of Louis XIV,XV, and XVI including the police, bailiffs, registrars, magistrates, and the crown prosecution service.

The following three jetons were issued for the crown prosecution, the law being under the authority of the crown at that time.

The reverse is common to all three, engraved by Lorthior and dated 1766. It depicts Aurora in her chariot pulling the sun behind her and bringing light into darkness.

The obverses are 1. Louis XV by Charles Norbert Roetier. 2. Louis XVI by Duvivier and 3. Louis XVI by Droz.

It's been a few days since anyone has posted a coin to this thread, so here's my `two for the price of one' jeton, dated 1647 -1648 . Issued in 1648 for M'sieu Lescot who had the job of acting as Receiver General for the Paris administration ( that part responsible for chasing after debtors large and small / liquidating their assets or sending them to gaol (without passing go or collecting 200 livres!).

Here's a 1651 silver jeton issuedby Louis Gonzaga of Nevers and Henrietta of Cleves. They set up a fund for disadvantaged young females and each year a purse containing silver jetons (I am unsure as to the quantity) was awarded. It should be borne in mind that although jetons were not exactly `money', silver was (at least the basis of it). As such these jetons (roughly equivalent to 1/3 of an ecu) were readily translated into `goods or services'.

This one is a small billon 1/2 batzen dated 1650 from Bavaria

I'm out for the next few years unless I find some time to search through the coins i've still to scan.