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23 hours ago, alexbq2 said:

Well done Sigi! You live you learn...

Mine has 4 feathers, I'm guessing 5 feathers is scarcer?

The crowns are different as well. I don't know which one is scarcer. To get an idea, it would help to compare with m-dv.

Sigi

Dear Eugene, here is page 212 which was missing above - excuse the delay, I did not have it here.

Sigi

Yes indeed, owning the book you can tell the mint of Elizabeth's and Peter III's  no mintmark coins.

It's available from extant4cell.

Sigi

The matter turned out most exciting!!!!

I do not have anything to contribute to the coin. However in Eugene's 1st literature citation "Fuchs 1984" page 212 is missing. Maybe Eugene left it out by mistake? If page 212 is missing in Eugene's copy, I would gladly add its photocopy here.  Excellent job, Eugene!

Sigi

How about sharp pictures of both sides and the edge?

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The crown does not look uncommon.  As there is strong bidding  in the Russian forum people there seem to be unsuspecting,  an obvious  fake would have been detected already. Personally I don't like the coin, the cypher looks too copperish, Siberian coins look more like bronze due to the metal composition. Along with the unevenness on the cypher side at 3 o'clock inside the wreath I would not exclude a cast (???), anyway to me it looks suspicious. I'd prefer to take it in hand first. I may be wrong, of course.

How about going for this one?  https://www.sixbid.com/en/koelner-muenzkabinett-tyll-kroha-nachfolger/7190/europaische-munzen-und-medaillen/5888260/russland-kaiserreich?term&orderCol=lot_number&orderDirection=asc&priceFrom&displayMode=large&auctionSessions=7485|245185&sidebarIsSticky=false

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2 hours ago, squirrel said:

Hey Sigi, It doesnt hurt to ask!  😀

When it comes to your 5 kopek 1761 MM - think of me 

Sigi

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5 hours ago, Wackle said:

Any results? I found this one at home

I am sorry to say that yours is an obvious fake - at first glance the lettering gives it away.

Sigi

Yes, Happy New Year to everyone and  good luck hunting !

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Very interesting. In 1760 Russia was in war with Prussia - the 7 years war. Why did Russia copy the enemy's design for their own coins?

Sigi

To me the coins all look processed in some way. But if you have seen hoards before, I'll take it for granted that hoards may look that way.  Of course there are no rarities or even overdates to expect in the offer. The lot has certainly been sifted who knows how often.  But as Josh says there is always the faint hope of the undiscovered treasure.   Some years ago at a Künker auction  I previewed  the individual coins and also the multiple lots comprising several  pyataki each. I rubbed my eyes in disbelief when I discovered an AU Paulian reoverstrike 5kop1791EM included in one of those multicoin lots. Künker's experts had mistaken it for a normal 1791EM!!!  The one in a million chance!  But unfortunately I was not the only one to spot the rare coin. That lot did NOT pass under the radar. I was outbid by far. 

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I do not like the appearance of the "hoard" - the pieces look unnatural.

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Watching the EM eagles of the 1802-1810 series a little closer reveals quite some eagle side variants. As on the two 1804 coins below. Note the different crowns,  4 eagle feathers hanging down or 5,  among other minor details.  Click on the picture for a close up. Enjoy, show yours.

Sigi

Quite nice, thank you for bringing to attention.

Sigi

Hi Dwight,  you show an Ekaterinburg coin. Our friend Eugene wrote a book about the topic which is worthwhile owning. He determines and pictures the anonymous issues  of Elizabeth and Peter III. Let's wait for his comment.

Sigi

Normally I care for sharp crowns but I could not resist this nice eagle.

Sigi

Very informative contribution. It is fascinating to see the armatures motive of the Prussian 8 Gute Groschen  copied on the 1762 4 and 10 kopecks.  But of course the 1762 Tsar, Peter III, had also been imported from Germany.

An excellent job, Eugen, thank you for the heap of knowledge and of course - - -  time.

Sigi

Hi and welcome here.

Can you show us your coin?

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Agreed, squirrel, that is all that can be said

Sigi

This is 5 rubles showing the Uspensky Cathedral, Moscow. The coin is not proof, otherwise the surfaces would look mirror like. 2.6 million were struck, the metal composition is copper-nickel. The value does not exceed the price tag.

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How to explain the wear? Did these rubles go into circulation, maybe as pyatak and ruble? 

Sigi

Very outstanding  items indeed   With the slight wear they show novodels don't come to mind. Did these yefimki circulate?

Sigi

I find Eugene's book about Elizabeth's and Peter III's copper coins very useful. It contains the pictures of all the variants. There are a few explaining words to each picture which, if necessary, can be understood using google translator. The anonymous coins reveal the mints they came from. And some of the cherished pictures from the time of the Grand Duke on, repeated in Brekke,  Dyakov,  etc., etc.,  are unmasked as contemporary fakes. 

Sigi

Great supplementation thank you, Eugene. Trying to find (and hunt down) the 4 clovers crown now.......

Sigi