Canox Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 I am looking for a not expensive book about French medals (corrected from coins). There is a new one www.french-medallic-art.com but it is too expensive and I cannot find a used one or another book. Amazon.com does not have any (even in French). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagerap Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 "Ciani" is or was the book for Pre-Revolutionary France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagerap Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Your post asks for coin references, but the heading says medals, so hold on to your hat; 'cos from here on it's */&%^ expensive. And only available in French. La médaille française au XIXe siècle et l’Histoire Pub. 1989 La médaille française et l’histoire de la Guerre de 1870-1871.Pub. 1995 Both by: Jean-Pierre COLLIGNON L’essor de la Médaille aux XIXe et XXe siècles Pub. 2003 By: B. COULLARE Portraits en Medaille Pub. 1946 By: Jean Babelon. Out of print MÉDAILLES DE NAPOLÉON III – Catalogue des principales médailles historiques émises sous la Présidence de Louis Napoléon Bonaprte et sous la règne de Napoléon III (1848-1870). Pub. 2001 By: J. P. DIVO http://www.archive.org/ is a good place to look for rare and out of print books. Also old catalogues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canox Posted October 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Your post asks for coin references, but the heading says medals, so hold on to your hat; 'cos from here on it's */&%^ expensive. And only available in French. La médaille française au XIXe siècle et l’Histoire Pub. 1989 La médaille française et l’histoire de la Guerre de 1870-1871.Pub. 1995 Both by: Jean-Pierre COLLIGNON L’essor de la Médaille aux XIXe et XXe siècles Pub. 2003 By: B. COULLARE Portraits en Medaille Pub. 1946 By: Jean Babelon. Out of print MÉDAILLES DE NAPOLÉON III – Catalogue des principales médailles historiques émises sous la Présidence de Louis Napoléon Bonaprte et sous la règne de Napoléon III (1848-1870). Pub. 2001 By: J. P. DIVO http://www.archive.org/ is a good place to look for rare and out of print books. Also old catalogues. bagerap - you are the best! And I corrected coins to medals, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagerap Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 If you have any specific medals you need to know about, let me know. I've got heaps of note books full of stuff I've researched over the last few decades. Of course, they're in no logical order; so it might take some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 I also want to thank you bagerap for this short bibliography. At some point --who knows?--I would love to collect French medals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goetzdude Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 One thing I learned early...if you can't afford the necessary reference books in order to collect medals than it is likely that you can't afford the medals either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canox Posted October 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 One thing I learned early...if you can't afford the necessary reference books in order to collect medals than it is likely that you can't afford the medals either... I actually disagree, i can get many different french medals but i do not know much about what i buy i am not planning to buy a medal which is unique and very expensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elverno Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 I have to agree with Goetzdude on this. If I didn't have the references it would be difficult to tell if something was rare or in the period I'm interested in. I've picked up many rarities as a result of studying the books, many of them very cheap; simply because I possessed knowledge that other collectors didn't. That said, everyone has their own approach to collecting. Goetzdude has amassed arguably the definitive collection of Geotz's works... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 One can collect for awhile without books, but if you want to get serious you need books. At the very least, join the ANA and use the library. I reference my personal library (300 plus volumes) virtually every day and I supplement that with borrowing through the ANA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canox Posted October 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 I reference my personal library (300 plus volumes) virtually every day and I supplement that with borrowing through the ANA. 300+! Wow! How long did it take you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canox Posted October 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 I've picked up many rarities as a result of studying the books, many of them very cheap; simply because I possessed knowledge that other collectors didn't. So whatever you do not spend on medals you spend on books Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted October 16, 2010 Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 300+! Wow! How long did it take you? I've been collecting 48 years. I've been buying books for my library for 47 years. Some new, some in used book stores, some on the web, some in auctions. I buy things for what I collect, for what has interesting information, for what I might collect, and others because they are great books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goetzdude Posted October 16, 2010 Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 Plain and simple...Knowledge is Power. I've spent thousands on books and those thousands have been repaid in multiples by giving me the extra edge to see and collect what others can't. Now I only wish I had a German Fairy to sit on my shoulder and translate German text for me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elverno Posted October 16, 2010 Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 If you ever get that fairy take pics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiho Posted October 16, 2010 Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 If you have any specific medals you need to know about, let me know. I've got heaps of note books full of stuff I've researched over the last few decades. Can you shed some light on the French medal that I use as my avatar? All that I know is that it is silver and from around 1920. The reverse is ornate with a blank space for an inscription. I bought in on eBay for $30 from a woman in Belgium. I'm guessing it was a general purpose medal for all sorts of competitions. I just like how it looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiho Posted October 16, 2010 Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 So whatever you do not spend on medals you spend on books Some of my favorite possessions are books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagerap Posted October 16, 2010 Report Share Posted October 16, 2010 Oh hiho, what have you done to me? Years of notes to scan! Marianne is of course the most iconic figure in French art; and possibly the most represented in the Art Deco period. In particular, after the First World War, there was a strong surge of patriotism/nationalism present in France and many representations of Marianne were produced with the martial helmet; often surmounted by the coq. Your avatar is slightly less usual in that it faces right. It resembles work by the following sculptors/engravers. Rasumny Bonneford Roty Rivet. The latter has produced Marianne in this style and, crucially, facing right. THe worst thing is that I am sure that I have handled the very medallion bearing your avatar, but can't remember where. Only that it was recently. More news ( hopefully ) to follow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagerap Posted October 18, 2010 Report Share Posted October 18, 2010 I forgot to include this site: http://www.artmedal.be/ and this: http://www.finemedals.com/index.htm very good background stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagerap Posted November 6, 2010 Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 hiho, I was certain that I'd seen and probably handled your avatar before. The only difference being that it's a mirror image on a medal. This link: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330492819020&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT should take you to one for sale with a whole host of images, and I'm certain that I can find the artist's name very shortly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiho Posted November 7, 2010 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 hiho, I was certain that I'd seen and probably handled your avatar before. The only difference being that it's a mirror image on a medal. This link: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330492819020&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT should take you to one for sale with a whole host of images, and I'm certain that I can find the artist's name very shortly. Good eyes! While the obverse is exactly the same as my medal (I flipped it in Photoshop so it would face right) it has a different reverse and it is much larger. I believe mine is about 38mm while the one on eBay is 68mm. Also mine is silver while this medal is silver plated bronze. Both have the initials ER on the obverse. Who is ER? I bid on it but seeing that I am putting a new roof on my house tomorrow for $6000 my resources will be extremely limited for awhile. Regardless, a million thanks for the heads up Bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canox Posted February 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Returning to the same question I asked when started this topic. Any book about french medals except of www.french-medallic-art.com? I was looking for anything in Google, on Amazon, Amazon.fr, Ebay.fr but still nothing. The (names of the) books that people replied in this topic are impossible to find/buy. I do not want to fly to Paris to purchase them so this option is out. Any other suggestions? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagerap Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 Prepare to mortgage your home, car & offspring. Here is the best I can do for you, it's some of the sites I use; but it really helps to speak French: http://www.medailles-jeannedarc.fr/index.php?/page/4 http://shop.ebay.fr/quality-art-medals/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562 http://artmedals.net/other/References.htm http://artmedals.net/other/References.htm http://artmedals.net/other/References.htm http://www.ordredelaliberation.fr/fr_doc/medaille.html http://www.france-phaleristique.com/accueil.htm http://medaille.decoration.free.fr/France/P_Medaille/M_Militaire.htm http://www.artistes-francais.com/?page_id=337 http://www.senses-artnouveau.com/links.php?Lng=FRE http://www.artmedal.be/ http://www.inumis.com/medailles/france/iiie-republique-1870-1940/iiie-republique-exposition-des-arts-decoratifs-et-industriels-modernes-1926-a1004340.html http://www.delcampe.fr/list.php?cat=2048&var=0-France-Medailles-Monnaies-Billets&language=F&sessionToken=sslLogin_968d892acfed5899da55004e1b6a9a3b http://artmedals.net/docs/bibliographie.html http://www.cgb.fr/liens/spejetons.html http://www.medal-medaille.com/index.php?cPath=243 Regards, Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canox Posted March 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2011 Prepare to mortgage your home, car & offspring. Here is the best I can do for you, it's some of the sites I use; but it really helps to speak French: http://www.medailles-jeannedarc.fr/index.php?/page/4 http://shop.ebay.fr/quality-art-medals/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562 http://artmedals.net/other/References.htm http://artmedals.net/other/References.htm http://artmedals.net/other/References.htm http://www.ordredelaliberation.fr/fr_doc/medaille.html http://www.france-phaleristique.com/accueil.htm http://medaille.decoration.free.fr/France/P_Medaille/M_Militaire.htm http://www.artistes-francais.com/?page_id=337 http://www.senses-artnouveau.com/links.php?Lng=FRE http://www.artmedal.be/ http://www.inumis.com/medailles/france/iiie-republique-1870-1940/iiie-republique-exposition-des-arts-decoratifs-et-industriels-modernes-1926-a1004340.html http://www.delcampe.fr/list.php?cat=2048&var=0-France-Medailles-Monnaies-Billets&language=F&sessionToken=sslLogin_968d892acfed5899da55004e1b6a9a3b http://artmedals.net/docs/bibliographie.html http://www.cgb.fr/liens/spejetons.html http://www.medal-medaille.com/index.php?cPath=243 Regards, Bob Thanks Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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