Cheburgen Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 Guys, what is the fair price for 5 Rouble 1841? The coin is slabbed by NGC MS64. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLeningradDutch Posted July 15, 2007 Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 Guys, what is the fair price for 5 Rouble 1841? The coin is slabbed by NGC MS64. $1,500 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheburgen Posted July 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2007 $1,500 Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldman Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Too much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheburgen Posted July 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 I see already a little bit more than a thou http://cgi.ebay.com/1841-Russia-5-Roubles-...3QQcmdZViewItem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheburgen Posted July 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Too much How $325 sounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 How $325 sounds? That sounds like the price a few years ago, when Russian coins were less costly (and so was gold bullion). $325 sounds dirt cheap now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheburgen Posted July 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 That sounds like the price a few years ago, when Russian coins were less costly (and so was gold bullion). $325 sounds dirt cheap now. Beleive it or not, 5 Rouble 1841 and 1842 in NGC slabs MS64 purchased a week ago from american dealer for $325 each. I still do not beleive myself and thought it was some kind of scam, but I got them today in mail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Beleive it or not, 5 Rouble 1841 and 1842 in NGC slabs MS64 purchased a week ago from american dealer for $325 each. I still do not beleive myself and thought it was some kind of scam, but I got them today in mail That is a very good buy. Deals like that are not easy to find these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldman Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 As they say...when two people argue, one is a fool and another one is a bastard same here - the dealers just had no idea what those coins cost (they are fools) and you knew but did not let them know (sorry, you're bastard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaxol Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 its better to be a bastard than a full Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maya Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 As they say...when two people argue, one is a fool and another one is a bastard same here - the dealers just had no idea what those coins cost (they are fools) and you knew but did not let them know (sorry, you're bastard You're just jealous like the rest of us. Congratulations Cheburgen, That's really a great buy (You wouldn't, by any chance, want to share the name of the dealer would you? Just kidding!!) But seriously, it's nice to hear that in today's depressing market it is still possible to get a great deal. I am really very happy for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 As they say...when two people argue, one is a fool and another one is a bastard same here - the dealers just had no idea what those coins cost (they are fools) and you knew but did not let them know (sorry, you're bastard It's probably a very safe bet that the dealer wasn't selling at a loss. And if the dealer is satisfied with his profit margin when selling at $325, then why is it the buyer's obligation to suggest that he should increase that price? The dealer is the numismatic professional. As such, it is the dealer's responsibility to know his market. It is not the collector's responsibility to educate him. Want to have some fun with a dealer? Ask him the price of a coin and when he tells you, look at him with a shocked expression, say "You're kidding!" and immediately pull out your wallet. The look on his face will be priceless. (If you think the price is fair, you can actually complete the transaction.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheburgen Posted July 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 As they say...when two people argue, one is a fool and another one is a bastard same here - the dealers just had no idea what those coins cost (they are fools) and you knew but did not let them know (sorry, you're bastard Yeah, I'm the bastard. I should say to the guy who is dealing with coins for 30 years that price for the coin is at least $1000 and I'll buy it for $1000. The only thing is strange that I did not see in my life any coin dealer (I'm not a dealer myself) who knows a real price for the coin and suggested to sell it to me for the half price. All I see that dealers are buying the coins in different places and selling them for the price 2-3 times higher of the original price. That's odd. They should say to me, look, I bought this coin for $200 and I'll sell it to you for $100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheburgen Posted July 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 (You wouldn't, by any chance, want to share the name of the dealer would you? Just kidding!!) He had only 5 gold russian coins. I bought 2 and the rest is 3 5 Rouble MS66 1902 and 1903. He was selling them for $115. Now I see he is selling them for $130 which is already in the range of the current market price. The rest, he has, a lot of american coins and he knows the price for them since he wrote couple of price guide books for american coins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHV Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Thank you And what about 1842 ms64? it must be much expencive since year better than 1841 Probably $2250? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldman Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 You're just jealous like the rest of us. Oh, no. You're completely wrong here ! I do not buy coins any longer - just sell. So, I can not be jealous at all. ...but, anyway, Congrats , Cheesburger ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheburgen Posted July 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 And what about 1842 ms64? it must be much expencive since year better than 1841 Probably $2250? MS62 was sold here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...fromZR40QQfviZ1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHV Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 MS62 was sold here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...fromZR40QQfviZ1 Yes I saw it, but was thinking that $2200 price was high for ms62. And since it sold out that fast for $1500 then I can guess that MS64 will worth not less than $2250 Since 1842 date not realy easy to find in that grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheburgen Posted July 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Yes I saw it, but was thinking that $2200 price was high for ms62.And since it sold out that fast for $1500 then I can guess that MS64 will worth not less than $2250 Since 1842 date not realy easy to find in that grade. You can compare statistics in here: http://www.ngccoin.com/poplookup/poplookup...+Matching+Coins Considering the amount of coins graded for both years I think 1842 MS64 is close to 2K. 1841 MS64 perhaps 1K maybe a little less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHV Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 You can compare statistics in here: http://www.ngccoin.com/poplookup/poplookup...+Matching+Coins Considering the amount of coins graded for both years I think 1842 MS64 is close to 2K. 1841 MS64 perhaps 1K maybe a little less. yes, I know about this, 1841 date most common for XIX c. coz was found in the banks for last years... 1842 not really rare date, but if to compair with 1841 is not really easy to find in really gem grades. probably 1842 was found in banks too, but not that much quantity as 1841. But anyway MS64 is MS64 for any date, so it should be on top. I whould say for 1842 in MS64 price will be still around $2200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 I whould say for 1842 in MS64 price will be still around $2200 What would you say for 1841 in "MS-66" (5 graded at this level)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheburgen Posted July 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 What would you say for 1841 in "MS-66" (5 graded at this level)? Perhaps close to 2K too, maybe higher. MS66 is a very high grade for these types of coins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHV Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 What would you say for 1841 in "MS-66" (5 graded at this level)? I will pay $2500 for this grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 I will pay $2500 for this grade. Thank you to both Cheburgen and GHV for your replies. GHV, I am intrigued by your comment about these coins being found in banks in recent years. Judging by the NGC census data, I thought that there must have been a small hoard of these appear on the market, but had no idea of the origin. Do you know in which countries these banks were located? Was it in Russia, or some other place? After gold ownership became legal once again in the US in the late 1970s, many US gold coins suddenly appeared that had been kept in the vaults of Swiss banks for half a century. I'm wondering if a similar phenomenon was at work here. Thanks for any light you can shed on this matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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