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An unexpected poltina overdate,1833/1.


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The attached picture is of the date area on an 1833 poltina. There is a clear overdate, 1833/1, which is unexpected because there are no known reverses of this type dated 1831. The writer also has an 1832 poltina with the overdate 1832/1, again unexpected. It would appear that the Mint was considering changing the reverse in 1831 to the type adopted in 1832. The top two arrows point at the remains of the figure 1 while the third arrow points at the remains of the original mintmark, which was much smaller than that adopted in 1832. Only the letter B of SPB is clearly seen.

 

1833odfz3.jpg

 

If anyone reading this post has either the 1832 or 1833 poltina, it would be of interest to learn if a normal date exists.

 

RWJ

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This is my exemplar of poltina 1832:

poltina1832avpl7.th.jpgpoltina1832revr4.th.jpg

 

As to details:

It could be 1832/1 overdate when looking at "2", it may have some traces of the underlying "1":

poltina18322lf7.th.jpg

 

Even more interesting are the apparent traces of the original mintmark. You can see remains of a small "П" in "СПБ", especially the feet of small "П":

poltina1832spbpz0.th.jpg

 

Can it be an overdate / m/m overstrike too?

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This is my exemplar of poltina 1832:

As to details:

It could be 1832/1 overdate when looking at "2", it may have some traces of the underlying "1":

Even more interesting are the apparent traces of the original mintmark. You can see remains of a small "?" in "???", especially the feet of small "?":

Can it be an overdate / m/m overstrike too?

Your 1832 poltina appears to be from the same reverse die as my specimen; I consider this to be an 1832/1 overdate. The mintmark SPB has been recut here as well and made much larger.

 

RWJ

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This is the best I can do with the archived photo that I have - the coin is not with me at the moment, else I would have shot another one:

I do not see any trace of an overdate. The 1832 poltina is a rare coin and the possible existence of two key varieties (overdate and non-overdate) makes it even more interesting.

 

RWJ

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Very interesting! Never thought the 1832 poltina would be rare (I don't see that many poltinas anyway)

Just took a research and checked how difficult it is:

 

http://coins.heritageauctions.com/common/v...mp;Lot_No=13828

 

None on molotok?

The overdate must be much harder to find.

The poltinas of 1832–1835 are very difficult to obtain and are seldom seen at auction. I suspect that the overdate will prove the more “common” for 1832 but this will only be known as more specimens are published.

 

RWJ

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