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Thank you Frank.

The subtle differences you can find in these jetons fascinates and frustrates me simultaneously.

Too much time was wasted trying to id this as a coin. All and any help appreciated.

Well, it's definitely Heaton, there's one for sale on ebay now with very clear photos.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1897-Victoria-Diamond-Jubilee-Unusual-Heaton-Bronze-Medal-Fantastic-Detail-/140950621121?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D6869054956224370808%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D5%26sd%3D290890291488%26

This is one of the few pewter celebratory medals for the jubilee and the signature on the truncation appears to be M R T N.

At the base of the reverse, below the centre of the bow, is something hard to discern.

There's also the possibilty of PMD. It could be an "A", maybe an "H" for Heaton. Any thoughts?

My apologies for taking so long to reply, I'm ashamed to admit that this coin was swallowed by my slum of a desk for nearly a week.

It is indeed coin rotation and the R is fully formed although the right hand side of the letter is a micron or so lower than t'other. Filled die?

Horologists tell a different tale. The use of IIII on clocks is thought to be for reasons of symmetry. It lies on the same line as VIII and is supposed to be more pleasing to the eye than IV.

And it's that man again, Nicolas Briot. He's fascinated me for a long time. When I was primarily interested in coins, I collected Civil War coinage and came across his work frequently. Just wish I could have afforded it.

Yup. I'd normally use XIV for exactly this reason, but I followed the convention used on the coin.

Incorrectly.

This ties down to a fairly precise time scale, 1643-1651, when Louis' mother Anne stood as Regent. I'm trying to determine why it was issued.

6.1 gr, 26 mm. Thick flan, cracked.

Pat, this is fantastic stuff. I'm getting immersed in the book already. Can't find a way of downloading it however.

Thank you Ian. Perfect.

Strangely enough I've been bemoaning the state of cgb on another forum recently. It's sad that what was one of the best resources in Europe has now become unwieldy and unresponsive.

I've found some images of Rouyer 1161 and all seem to have a crown on the obverse shield in the very spot where I have a FdL.

I concur with Ian, it does look as though though there are more than three Fleur de Lys. It's one of the reasons I'm soaking it. I'll try the microscope before it has a bath.

Your cruise has done you the world of good Pat, your eyes are certainly better than mine.

The reverse is almost a perfect match. Where the Mitchiner has:

AVE MARIA GRACIA C (or E)

mine has a clearly struck and preserved P.

l can't wait to see what a month in oil will do

It's also in need of a long soak in the oil bath. In the centre of the obverse are three Fleurs de Lysr and there is one on the reverse. Apart from that, zilch. Except that, as with most jetons, it looks familiar.

Can any of our jetonistas help?

Dammit! Now I have medallion envy.

Two nice pieces this week, a Rushby & Wooley Bilston twopenny token and a silvered brass medal; Allied Forces Occupy Paris. This second piece was identified by using the fantastic site run by Arminius.

http://www.arminius-...rch&cat=0&pos=0

The medal is still one I'd like, but haven't encountered again. As far as I can remember I withdrew at around £65.00. More than it was probably worth but there were 5 or 6 determined other buyers. It was bought in on behalf of an unnamed American client.

And yes, I saw the other thread. I frequently walked through the remains of the park while my wife attended her dentist in Croxley Green.

I have seen one of these before, four years ago in an auction in Hertfordshire. I was the underbidder and I believe it went to the U.S.

Thank you for that. It came with a 1/10 integer which, as it turned out was far better than the sales pic and more importantly; better thanthe one I already owned.

I think it's probably the feeling of newness and the lack of any signs of wear or discolouration.

Pat, I'd value your opinion on this freshly acquired one integer. I think it's a modern copy.

Thanks Pat .I'm aware of the history and politics of the period but cannot find another example of this jeton ( and few of the one illustrated by Forvm). The once formidable cgb.fr site is now too clunky to search and I'm running out of ideas.

I thought this would be so easy to pin down, but so far nada.

Brass, 24 mm, 3.8 gr.