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Eagle special type, "Bee" is for sale today for $ 170

this coin disapeared from that website same day you posted it, did you have a sucess in buying it

Eagle special type, "Bee" is for sale today for $ 170

including your beatiful bee coin, it makes them count "5" as world-wide known so far

not rare type of 2 kopeks 1810 but in rare high condition brought 850 Euro

http://www.numismatica.hu/cms/components/c...product/130.jpg

BTW, What you call "chicken type" in Russia these days identified using Ukrainian word 'bdjhilka" - "a bee"

if bdzhilka - that is a big size mama

do you know what they call another type which is TETEREV

Somebody posted this scan on one of the forums some time ago. Has all kinds of interesting variants:

Wow, yes I saw this picture,

if I am not mistaken,

the most left in the 4th row from the top is the one discussed in this topic !

and it has two large crowns, which brings total of 4 known,

- the rest are just chiken farm besides other rare two pieces

Thank you alexbq2

Conros363 Lot 474, 15,300 RUB

Both look like the large crowns to me.

Steve

Yes, they are two large crowns both sides, THANK YOU Steve for the images.

As a result, three only observed/found/posted/auctioned/known:

one is in US and two in Russia.

My 2 kopeks I think has better condition of both crowns, in contrast Conros one's has better Arm and wings, but mine had also very clear wings details and excellent surface around the eagle...the one from Staraya moneta is the worst one, but rare anyway!

Waiting with inpatience for the next Steve research on Alexander I copper coinage (especially 1810)

By 'new' crowns I meant the crowns that appear on the regular EM 2 kopeeks of 1810 and subsequent years, I am assuming that the crowns with the narrow base that usually appear on the 'chicken' or 'bee' type eagles are of a slightly earlier design. Compare the crowns on mine with this:

P.S. Adrianov does list your coin and mine as a separate variants

Yes, your small/large crowns of chicken type are identical to the crowns of Monety i Medali with the subsequent (I call it latest ) eagle. Have you seen Staraya moneta museum page where Adrianov informs that he saw only ones yours and mine?

Now, I was wondering if you ever seen the one with two small crowns; I need that data so I know where to aspire to. Also waiting on Steve stats where did he see mine two large crowns as a second piece in Russia. Thank you everyone !

I do not have one. And I want it! I have been collecting these for a long time. I must have some 10 - 15 varieties of the eagle side. Congrats!

you are the one who was catching me on 1810 chicken type with different crowns

last couple years, so recently Miss fortune desided to give it to me

one day your time comes too for 2 large crowns

and now see my other large/standard variant

http://www.omnicoin.com/coin_view.aspx?id=974793

Yes, but both are the 'new' crowns.

pls explain"new" - does it come from Adrianov catalog, thanks

Very scarce! Out of 290 1810EM 2K, I've only seen 2 other examples, both in Russia.

Steve

Thank you for youR valuable stats. I saw one on FORUM Staraya moneta in museum display section, would you tell where was the other sample observed, thank you on advance

Nice!

Thank you.

Yours is Small/Large crown variant

Hello from Austria.

 

I have one small information for all interested.

In 2010 a new book will be published.

 

It will be about the early russian platinum roubles, their history and all.

Including an catalogue for the coins, pre-strikes and varieties and also auction-results.

 

Hows about the interest in that?

The only thing is: it will be first only published in german language.maybe later also in english.

 

greets platinrubel

Welcome to coinpeople, "platinrubel" !

Every issue of book related to russian numismatic was, is and will be WELCOME always as to my opinion !

Of course, english and russian text would be better for myself, but I take German as a challenge !

Thank you for posting this info !

Please inform us when a book comes out !

All books in this list - text in russian.

Any book MUST be pre-paid before a delivery

which is 3-4 weeks including priority shipping in US.

International shipping pls quote.

Combine shipping is welcome.

Return policy is a 5 business days

after receiving a book for full refund minus postage (priority mail).

Thank you!

V V Uzdenikov - Russian coins XVIII-XX c, Essays on numismatics. 3rd edition, Moscow 2004. $49.95

Works of State numismatic museum XVII. Moscow. 2005. $27.00

Works of State numismatic museum XVIII. Moscow. 2008. $32.00

Works of State Hermitage. Materials and research of numismatic department. 2005. St.Peterburg. $32.00

Works of State Hermitage. 85th anniversary of Potin, Chief numismatic department. 2005. St.Peterburg. $23.00

Works of State Hermitage. XXXI. Materials and research of numismatic department. 2006. St.Peterburg. $32.00

The XVth All-Russian numismatic conference volume. Moscow, 2009. $32.00

E S Shukina. Series of medals of F G Muller on event of North War in Hermitage. St.Peterburg. 2006. $39.95.

B S Yusupov. Coins of Russian Empire. 2 volumes. 1699-1725, 2003. 1725-1801, 2004, Kazan. $210.00

T D Panova. Hoards of Kremlin. 2004. Moscow. $23.00

M B Gornung. Pages of Memories one of the oldest Moscow numismatist. 2008. Moscow. $32.00

E N Sheveleva. Brest Badges of Russian (Imperial) Army. 1993. St.Peterburg. $32.00

T I Slepova. Collection of Mantua coins in Hernitage. 1995. Electa, Italy. $85.00

The International numismatic conference I and II. Coinage in Mongol States XII-XV cc. Moscow, 2005. $45.00

The International numismatic conference III. Coinage in Mongol States XII-XV cc. Moscow, 2005. $45.00

A V Oreshnikov. Russian coins before 1547. Moscow. 2006. $43.00

A S Shkurko, A Yu Salukov. Commemorative medals of soviet period 1919-1991. Moscow. 2005. $80.00

The Grand Russian Victories in medals and engravings. Catalog of Pushkin museum (523 medals). Moscow. 2009. $80.00

Thank you!

I have recently purchasing for my library nice book printed in 1776-1778 /40

engraved numismatic plates/ Russian,Swedish,Danish,Prussian and English medals.

Front page:

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6/img1311fbi.jpg

 

 

Rarenum.

on very popular book sites Igors book is 75.00 and your is up to 2500 (less expensive available too)

I have recently purchasing for my library nice book printed in 1776-1778 /40

engraved numismatic plates/ Russian,Swedish,Danish,Prussian and English medals.

Front page:

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6/img1311fbi.jpg

 

 

Rarenum.

pic of russian plate(s) please

Thanks providing this reference.

you are welcome anytime; as I more trust facts not gossips, my opinion sometime differs from others

I proud that I can keep Zander's point o view:

<<<both Dassier and Yudin emphasized the sovereign's features, represeting them with a slightly demure delicacy, and they paid little attention to her court dress, with the St Andrew sash, and to her opulent bust>>>>

Some clarification - Diakov does not list medals by metal. If he thinks that some medal in some metal is more than just common, he simply expresses his opinion on the rarity of that medal in that metal. The assumption is that medal might exist in all metals used for striking medals.

thank you for very interesting clarification

Some clarification - Diakov does not list medals by metal. If he thinks that some medal in some metal is more than just common, he simply expresses his opinion on the rarity of that medal in that metal. The assumption is that medal might exist in all metals used for striking medals.

 

 

I have not seen the new book yet, by I thought that Bitkin's new book is only on award medals for wear.

*then what all AR AE AG means in his catalogs after each medal?

*Bitkin new book for wear award only, as review on this book says.

Does Diakov distinguish the 2 variants (the original and the copy) or do they both go under Diakov #105?

 

I’m curious, because I’ve seen several instances of the Ivanov copy, on auction sites, and it appears that Diakov ranks it as R1, did not find listings for the original yet. So does the same R1 apply to the original medal?

First of all it is under Diakov #97 in volume 2 covering period 1725-1796.

Original dies is listed under #97.1 and copied dies under #97.2 accordingly.

As I saw your image, it is a medal from a white metal. And both are them (white metal) are NOT listed by Diakov.

I'm not a medal collector. But once in a while I pick something up for fun. Here's my new acquisition, a medal struck to commemorate the birth of Pavel Petrovich:

 

http://www.omnicoin.com/coin_view_enlarge.aspx?id=962143

 

I found some references to a similar medal:

 

http://www.numismat-invest.ru/view_img.php...img2=173712.gif

 

"This medal is a later restrike (late 18th - 19th century) of the medal struck during the reign of Catherine the Great to commemorate the birth of Pavel Petrovich (future Paul I). Original die-stamps were executed by Georg Christian Waechter and Samoila Yudin. The die-stamps for this medal were copied by Samoila Yudin and Timofei Ivanov. Beneath bust truncation: TIMOFEI IVANOV. Diakov#105.3(R1), Smirnov.238"

 

My medal is signed by Waechter not Ivanov, so mine must be the original. I'm curious as to what the Medal references have to say about this medal. Thanks in advance!

Diakov reference says that Original dies were executed by Weaxter/ Yudin.

Copied dies are by Ivanov/ Yudin.