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another one 1810, just lost another side somewhere
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just came in
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just came in
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mine is not for sale,
do you sell yours 2 kopeks with large digits in date?
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glad to hear it
this is mine:
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Sorry, not for sale.
glad to hear it
this is mine:
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another both sides large crown 2 kopeks of 1810 chiken type came up, condition is not so good but rare
if this year (1810) is interesting to so many watchers, may be it is a time to place in this post all others
2 kopeks of this year (1810) ??
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CONCLUSION:
MODERN CAST COPY FROM GOLD
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another both sides large crown 2 kopeks of 1810 chiken type came up, condition is not so good but rare
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very interesting and informative link, some coins part of this forum
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I paid 120 dollars. But this is not a market price. I sold her as a friend.
I bought it this month.I collected all 4 coins "grouse"
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i dont understand. is this not a newly purchased coin?
how much and when was it purchased, and by who?
as I understood from above, this coin was purchased as a part of someone collection (so assuming not so expensive), and this coin especially was very desirable for a long time by the person who presents a photo (мишутка - Mishutka, probably Michael), and this person is locating in Russia and asking this forum how much do WE think this coin can cost over here ?
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How much did you pay?
there probably is a big diffrence between how much was it paid for and how much is the asking price now
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beatiful coin, all money
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I still like it
did you get it
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Hmm...something doesn't quite feel right.
There's all that schmutz across the eagles, and the lettering and crowns just don't seem as sharp as they should.
I don't know. Anybody else?
i was wondering, how does "schmutz" accurately bypassed the coat of arm, that a horseman left undamaged and is observed very well, may be because of frame of coat of arm prevented it from metal flow, also look at second 1 in a date - very wide one
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if put on a side a large/large crown variant for a moment,
there is an average statistic of weekly running chiken/bee type
on the most largest russian auction molotok:
Bitkin 343.........6 pieces
Bitkin 344........72 pieces
Bitkin 345.........- pieces
Bitkin 346.........2 pieces
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I have one 2 kopecks of 1810 as type variety.
I'm sorry not the best images
thank you for showing
, also a pic not opening properly somehow -
lets back to the business without any counts
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How many on this forum collect 1810 2 kopeks coins by crown size variety?
same question could be better re-addressed to Bitkin:
why he issued his catalog and to whom
he dedicated it and included 4 types of crowns of 1810 - I think for us, collectors, researchers, professionals, dealers, etc.
it does not matter how many people collect such object,
it does matter how many learn material part and utilized that
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another one just came up in not so good condition, looks from digging out, from Ivanovo, Russian Federation:
http://molotok.ru/item810637813_2_kopejki_...ie_korony.html#
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....So I would still say they're *relatively* scarce, though perhaps not absolutely scarce.
Best,
Steve
Steve, pls correct me if I am wrong:
What you called scarce or about it, I cannot consider it as scarce. Why?
Well, in Bitkin (from Ilyin & GM) it was observed earlier that small / large crown varieties are in existance.
Even, GM corpus is showing I believe Alex's variant which is a large / small.
Bitkin went further and using Ilyin he added some and catalogued them as:
343 ®
344
345 (R1)
346 (R1)
He still missed some perspective ones as small/small, large/large and small /large (opposite to 345).
Now, I consider large / large crown variant not less than R1 rarity according Bitkin scale.
From what point this one (large/large) can be consider by you as a scarce?
For example, a researcher Adrianov has not mentioned this fact that this coin a scarce, but opposite, -
he has met (being living in Russia, and issued his copper book) only one sample from last few years (decade?) which is posted by him in russian forum. His major benefit is that if anything comes up in Russia (from digging out or other sources), he is one of the first who can be informed. That is why he said that for all his last time of research experience only one coin was met by him.
I do assume that others sample of large/large will show up. But it is not a question as of today.
I would wait on your respond,
Thank you on advance.
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searching for this type variant with both sides two large crowns requires some knowledge, first of existance of such variety, which comes from other collectors where data shared; good well push was provided by Adrianov (Perm', Russia) and couple current forum members couple years ago; since that time only these are showed up so far
to be continued
Novodel
in Russian Coin Forums
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if netFish can read russian,- one of the best article on this subjest is:
I Spassky "on the NOVODEL coins" in a book "Proshloe nashei rodiny v pamyatnikax numizmatiki"
pp105-125, well ill.
Engilsh summary on page 214-215:
Novodels are copies of old Russain coins which were manufactured by mints for over 200 years. The majority of them come from the St.Petersburg mint (XVIII-XIX c) and the Ekaterinburg mint (XIX c). It is also possible that Moscow mint took part in their manufacture during the XVIII c. The manufacture of novodels arose from the legalized practice of making medals to order. In St. Petersburg, this was common immediately after the mint started work again in 1738. In the same way as the cracked medal dies were replaced by new ones, a small number of coin dies were recopied and kept in store in anticipation of fresh orders. In time this led to the appearance of various "hybrids": the more fanciful among them were manufactured illegally by workmen in the mint, who had access to the dies. The novodels had some weak points as far as their technical aspects were concerned (dimensions, weight, metal, standard, edges).As a rule, edging instruments did not survive.
It is possible to divide novodels into the following groups (not counting the "hybrid" combination):
1.late stamping with authentic dies
2.stamping with copies of dies
3.re-stamping with dies cut after previously issued coins, or even after their reproductions in books
4.copying of coins which were produced by mints other than the one involved
5.striking with "borrowed" dies
6.the manufacture of coins which did not exist before
A great many die-copies of all types were destroyed in the St.Petersburg circa 1840, but since then there were two huge issues of novodels in Ekaterinburg, which included coins from other mints as well. Perhaps one of the first "invented" novodel is a denga of Peter the Great, bearing a Latin inscription and dating from 1700. The Manufacture of novodels coins was officially prohibited in the 1870s.
Any questions, please ask
one-kuna