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2nd item in lot 133 below.

Yes Bill, I was waiting for it to arrived safely...phew!

Thanks Art.

Some images & info here on the expedition http://www.lindahall.org/george-back/

National Portrait Gallery Image of George Back.

100% George IV 1826 penny. Note the "holes" on the "8"s are round, the lower one on the "6"s are oblong, it is just wear which makes your "6" appear to be an "8". Compare the flatter bottom 8's to the more rounded bottom 6's.

Sorry Al, but no pennies or halfpennies were struck with 1828 as the date, your images above are both of the obverse. Often a worn date like 1826 can appear to be 1828. You need the diameter.

Pat

George IV pennies were only struck 1825, 1826 & 1827. no more pennies were struck again until 1831.

If you are comparing this Geo IV penny, which originally weighed 18.8 gm, to Victoria's pennies they only weighed about 9.44 gm, roughly half the weight & only 30mm compared to 34mm.

Thanks for sharing Art glad that you are so positive, all the best.

Pat.

I am no expert on these but many pictured on a google search appear to have raised edges so perhaps the genuine ones do too.....that said I believe I have found an almost identical one here http://tjbuggey.ancients.info/europe.html which appears to be cast from the same mold which to me is a fake and I suspect some of the ones on a google search are fakes as well http://www.britnumsoc.org/publications/Digital%20BNJ/pdfs/1906_BNJ_3_16.pdf hopefully Clive will see this topic and we can all benefit from his expertise. Here is Clive's example http://www.coinpeople.com/index.php/topic/22468-william-the-conqueror-penny/ pictured below the cast fake.

Love this type of medal.

This might someone to consider

http://museum.zib.de/sgml_internet/sgml.php?seite=5&fld_0=z0004644

I do not have much time at present but I did notice this



which might help with identification. I would have a quick guess at Genoa or Venice from an old image.

http://coinquest.com/cgi-bin/cq/coins?main_coin=2592

The insurance jetons with ships on are always a delight, I guess if someone wanted to start collecting insurance jetons and wanted to narrow their focus the ship ones would be a great field

All great pieces, I missed all the recent posts in this topic because the "Unfollow option" was triggered.

Strange as I "Follow" exonumia and cannot fathom how it happened just for this one topic.

That Pitt is............cannot find the words to do it justice.

The earliest I could find was his Marianne 1902, which was still being used in 1934, so probably Forrer had not heard of him or the mystery engraver. I assume the first letter of the surname is V and what from the pic looked to me to be N is just an illusion?

Either way we need a piece of luck to work that signature out.

Nice medal

To me it looks like an N not a V, but can find nothing to match.

The only one if it is a V.....Y, that I can find is, VAGANAY {French). Die-sinker at Lyons, who signed a Masonic Jeton 1872....from Forrer, no more info on him.

I have just enjoyed a trip through the Panama Canal and the Moonlight Mint(on Flickr) thanks

The detail is awesome.

Great post and I really like the shirt.

You might have seen this already if not it might be of interest http://www.britnumsoc.org/publications/Digital%20BNJ/pdfs/1987_BNJ_57_8.pdf

Looks in good condition, if the price is ok, go for it.

Or did you already get it?

You posted links to a a brass version of this in August that you were watching http://www.coinpeople.com/index.php/topic/28635-george-iv-visit-to-ireland-1821/?hl=ireland and it is BHM#1136 by? W.Woodhouse 25mm AE R. Br. R., so there is a copper or bronze(AE) version so that is most likely what yours is gilded copper.

I cannot weigh either the Scottish or Irish brass medals at this time but, as they are assumed to be issued by a different person, it would not prove anything.

There was a plot to assassinate the Medici brothers as they attended Mass in the Cathedral of Florence on 26th April 1478, Giuliano the younger brother was killed but Lorenzo fought off his first 2 attackers, priests, and lept into the octagonal choir(shown on the medal) and with the support of friends took sanctuary behind huge brass doors. This medal shows both brothers, one lying on the floor dying. The noble Pazzi banker family had arranged the semi-successful assassination but the survival of Lorenzo meant all the guilty Pazzi, their co-conspirators & some innocents were to suffer death and any remaining, presumed innocent, members of the family were force to change their surname & all evidence of the Pazzi was destroyed in Florence. The Romans had a law "damnatio memoriae" for crimes against the Emperor or State, which expunged all memory of the guilty person.

All the Pazzi's properties & debts owed to them(remember like the Medici they were bankers) were claimed by the Republic of Florence.

The Archbishop, by a ruse, & some men tried to seize control of the government palace a stronghold in the city but were defeated.

2 papal groups of soldiers waiting outside the city never entered as they must have got wind of Lorenzo's survival and/or the failure to take the government palace stronghold.

Wow, for those times what an exceptional lady, even today a fine example for all of us.

Thanks for the most enjoyable post George.

Pat