grivna1726

sorry I did not see this post earlier. I could post a few cute things starting 1849...

Same here. I usually never enter this forum because I thought it was US coins only and my interest is elsewhere. I intended to click on "World Coins" in the menu at the top left corner of the page, but accidentally clicked "Coins" (immediately above it) instead and then found this thread which needed something for 1726.

As for so-called duplicate posting, I think the chronology is what is important, not the number of examples. So if different people post multiple coins each for 1712, that just makes it more interesting to see coins from different countries in the same year.

1712 1 rouble. Large eagle variety.

 

 

This is a magnificent example of a truly rare coin.

1714?

RUSSIA

1714-НДД (NDD) 1 kopek

RUSSIA

1714 5 kopeks

(Novodel - originals are great rarities)

grivna1716 - that is another amazing coin. Tough to find anything like that in todays market I imagine.

Thank you. The coin has always been tough and hasn't gotten any easier in recent years.

Here is my last contribution for a few years to come. Its a 1715 sede vacante taler from the german city state of Osnabruck. Its a 1 year issue struck to commemorate the death of the bishop. I really fell in love with these sede vacante pieces.

 

I understand and share your attraction to the coins of this period. The artwork is gorgeous, unlike the typically unimaginative and unattractive metallic trash in circulation today. The coins themselves are impressive examples of the diecutter's art and it is clear that they were designed and made with craftsmanship and pride.

Onto 1716...

Here you go...

nomen est omen!

Thanks bobh, my handle was chosen for these two coins.

We need a 1726! (otherwise someone here has to buy? )

Both previously posted to this board:

Russia 1726 silver grivna (grivna = 10 kopeks)

Russia 1726 copper plate grivna

LINK to scale photo for copper plate

Any guesses as to what the object is on the spear/pole she is holding?

It's a Phrygian cap.

Today I received the Bitkin reference books from Antiqvarius, both volumes as new in excellent condition!

 

We do have a feedback forum here, so I went there and added my positive feedback for Antiqvarius. Would be nice if others who have bought from him also leave feedback; I started the thread for him, so you can just add to it.

 

Here is the link to the feedback forum:

Feedback Forum (http://www.coinpeople.com/index.php?showforum=53)

Thanks for the link, Bobh. I never noticed this before.

"Take me to your leader. I come in peace."

Medals are the most prevalent award of Schützenfests although there were many other types of awards. Pokals and Bechers being another award. These are ornate goblets, cups and small cups.

 

Watches were also a popular award, although a little more rare they were prevalent thus the reason why watch case makers were also engravers of medals.

Before a schützenfest, the 'committee' would go around to local and regional shop keepers and ask for donations for the schützenfest.

 

These could be on the form of money, silver services, watches, clocks, rifles, wappensheibe, pottery, etc. Medals, Cups, and watches were the most common type of award for the higher prizes although many other type were given out and there were König prizes and special prizes.

 

Thank you for your reply.

This is a most impressive display, especially the cups which can easily stand on their own as works of art. Am I correct in thinking that the 2 cups which feature a standing bear as the stem are from Bern?

I think the cups must be particularly rare and for so many to be present, this must be a highly advanced collection. My compliments to you (I assume these are yours) on a remarkable achievement.

What is a "König" prize? A grand prize reserved for the "king" of shooting competitions?

hiho,

 

As you know, you have a 1906 Vaud, Nyon Cantonal Schützenfest medal with a mintage of 400 pieces. It is 33 mm in size and is silver. Silver was the only metal this particualr medal was made in.

 

It is R1610 (Richter) and M964 (Martin)

 

The engraver is Alfred Jacot-Guillarmond of Le Locle

 

It's value would range (conditon range of EF to Pristine UNC) from approx. $70 - $150.00

 

You have a nice example of this schützenfest medal.

Thank you for the information.

According to Forrer, Eugene and Alfred Jacot-Guillarmond were watch case engravers (father & son) who resided in Le Locle.

Together, they produced a medal struck at the works of Huguenin Freres in 1888, on the inauguration of a monument at Le Locle to Daniel Jean Richard (1665-1741) who was the founder of the Neuchatel watch industry (signed E. Jacot)

Alfred also made a "Cantonal Rifle Meeting" of Vaud at Yverdon, 1899 (which sounds like another shooting medal).

I notice that this company, like Holy Freres, were watch case manufacturers. Is this generally true of the engravers of shooting medals, or just a coincidence?

We picked up a few medals from the recent Stacks auction I'm happy to say. The following medal was aquired by my Dad at a recent UBS auction in Switzerland. It is a beautiful one of a kind gold medal from Frauenfeld.

 

1890 Federal Schützenfest Thurgau, Frauenfeld

Metal: Gold

Mintage: 1 (there are 3 silver, and 3 bronze examples)

Weight: 67.3 gm

Engraver: Stefano Johnson, Milano

 

Very impressive!

Only 7 examples in all metals! Now THAT is rare!

please let me know how to get one.

Money transfer by Western Union or Contact System (cheaper) is probably best. Suggest you send a private message or email to Antikvarius for instructions.

My 1965 Krause "Swiss Shooting Talers And Medals" lists the engraver as Jacob Guillarmod.

"Jacob Guillarmod" is not listed in Forrer (at least not that I can find).

I love the woman's flying saucer hat...

The Vaud fish on her chest is a nice touch as well (the one that didn't get away!)

Here's a new Swiss Shooting Medal I recently picked up, a 1906 Nyon........

 

 

Only 400 of these were struck.

Anyone want to try and guess how NGC graded it?

Who is the engraver?

I looked at the signature behind the woman but am having trouble making it out (A Jacob Guillamuad?).

Lovely medal!

I just ordered the Bitkin catalog from your store myself. I've had a ripped-off CD copy now for a couple of years ... very ashamed of myself! Looking forward to receiving the real thing!

You won't regret the purchase. It's a wonderful book and a bargain at the asking price.

Prices have been rising on a MONTHLY basis - no reason why they would be the same back in 2003.

For example, a common 1818-ПС СПБ rouble, discussed HERE, is listed in Bitkin in UNC at $350, but the coin cited ("MS-63") just sold on ebay for slightly over $3000.

This huge difference in prices says nothing about the value of the Bitkin catalog, but says a lot about how rapidly prices in the Russian coin market are changing.

This catalog's valuations (or any other recent Russian catalog) were too low at the time the catalog was published. By now they are completely outdated, even if you assume the valuations are in Euro or even British Pounds.

Agreed.

Note that the rapid rise in prices makes any catalog obsolete before it is even printed. In many cases, especially for rarer coins which do not change hands on a daily basis, values often can only be estimated by judging what other similarly rare coins have brought in recent sales. Value is determined when the coin is actually sold and in the case of rare coins at auction, market demand might cause that value to substantially exceed well-informed estimates.

The value of the Bitkin catalog does not lie in having up-to-the-minute pricing information, because no catalog can deliver that.

Last saturday i got my catalog from atikvarius store and the two volumes are really great !

I also purchased from Antikvarius. The books arrived FAST and the service was courteous and professional.

I would not hesitate to buy from him again.

Nobody says in the whole catalog, in which curreny the catalog has been written at the prices for the different coins - i guess the prices are US $ - are they?

I believe they are in USD. Prices are from 2003 & earlier, so are somewhat dated, but still valuable as a guide to relative rarity and values today.

This is a superb work that is an extremely valuable contribution to Russian numismatic literature. The fact that it is bilingual (Russian and English) makes it especially valuable to those of us who are not native Russian speakers. I cannot say enough good things about this book and I am thrilled to have added it to my library.

hiho,

 

I am not positive but I bellieve Holy Freres was a prolific Swiss engraver, male.

Information from obtained from Forrer:

Holy Freres (i.e. "Holy Brothers") was a firm which was established in 1893 at St. Imier in Switzerland. The brothers, Franz Holy & Jules Holy directed it. They were watch-case manufacturers & diesinkers.

They eventually branched out into medal making. Forrer lists a number of medals and it appears the firm was most active in medal making from 1903-1911 (some medals are undated and might have been produced later).

This CD-s have very nice outlook. I am not 100% sure that this is pirate.

But earlier you said:

I bought scanned Bitkin cataloque on two CD from dealer in Estonia. Maybe it is not legal, but handy. Price was 65,-USD.

What has changed to make you think that copying and selling someone else's book might be legal?

And how on earth could a bunch of images of each page be "handy" to find the individual listing you want? It sounds awkward, even painful to me.

And why on earth would you pay more for some pirated CDs than what you claim you can buy the book for in Kiev ($50)?

That seems (at least, to me) like an especially foolish and frankly, unbelievable purchase decision.

Hello,

 

Your medal is R239b (M151 variation). In the Martin book, Martin pictures the rare M151

9R239c that only 5 examples were minted and in my 25 years and my Father's 40+ years of collecting, we have never seen that particular example. In the new Schützenfest Medals 'bible' by Jürg Richter the medal are identified as R239b (your's) and R239c.

 

R239b: 850 examples, 30mm and is relatively common in terms of shooting medals and has a market value of $40-120 dollars depending on condition.

 

The Martin example shown in Martin is the one that only 5 examples are known and is thought to be a proof strike but my Father and I have never seen so that can't be substantiated. Many shooting medals have proof-like surfaces but proof dies (as we know them today) were not normally used. Although there are many shooting medals that can rival today's proofs.

 

Variations of shooting medals are somewhat common. There are of course the same medal in different metals and there are at times variations of a medal in the same metal, such as the M151 (R239), sometimes even 4 variations and these usually in the silver examples.

 

I hope this helps with your question.

 

Rod

It does, thank you.

This medal, and the others were purchased when I was not really fully settled on my collecting direction, buying lots of different things that appealed to me, but without any coherent sense of collecting pattern.

I thought this might be a rare variety or even a pattern. I am somewhat disappointed to learn otherwise but I thank you for correcting my misunderstanding of the situation.

OK, now I sharing legal information. Bitkin cataloque price in Kiiev bookstore is something about 50.-USD

Really?

Then why did you spend $65 for pirated CDs?

Orest - a fair warning: I don't really care what you are buying, practicing or such as I don't have the power to stop you.

 

However, sharing information about copyright materials in particular an entire source is highly prohibited and if you keep insisting on bringing this topic up, you are not welcomed to post in this forum any longer. Referencing, scanning a section is fine but NOT an entire book. If you have a large amount of money to buy coins as suggested on other thread, I don't see why you can't afford to buy books.

 

The thing is, authors have to come up with money somehow to fund their research. I don't care how you claim that they are greedy or what so ever - that's in the debates forum if you wish to argue there.

At $120, the book is an excellent deal. Once the remaining volumes are sold off, I expect its market value will climb well above that level.

Even if you have it on CD, buying the physical book itself is a no-brainer.