grivna1726

Thanks Steve. It does make sence to say " they're *relatively* scarce " comparing to the common regular types for 1810, I agree .

 

However, calling this variety flat "scarce" is somewhat ambiguous at this point IMHO.

Does anyone know what is going on with this variety?

It looks like some kind of error in the die (an extra diagonal wing? ) but I don't really understand what happened or how it happened.

Cathreine II

Nice!

This first portrait type of Catherine (with the lace neck ruff) is the design I like most for this ruler.

For some reason, the neck ruff was removed from the design in 1766. Does anyone know why this change was made?

Thanks in advance for any reply.

bobh, nice run of NII poltinas I once attempted the same for the roubles of NII, so I know it does not come easy.

 

I have only a few poltinas, but this one I like. It is ex Virgil Brand.

 

 

Fabulous coin!

This poltina is also ex-Brand. He purchased it privately from "St. Louis Stamp & Coin Company" in 1922.

Previously posted but one of my favorites...

Here is the other picture:

Thank you for posting these images and welcome to the forum.

I read somewhere (and do not remember where it was), that the reason for rejecting the Dassier's work was that the dress shown was TOO HUMBLE, and in the Empress's opinion improper for a Russian 'барыня' (noble woman) to wear. If the dress shown were more imposing or better decorated, she might have approved the portrait. I do not know if this is just an anecdote or a true story, but I can imagine saying that would have been very typical of her based on her known habits and the life style.

Her decision was clearly not based on artistic merit.

If only he paid more attention to properly showing the Empress's dress...

I am not sure what you mean.

Is the dress somehow inaccurately rendered? The dress doesn't look radically different from the earlier Scott version to me (and no doubt she had more than just one dress!).

Yes, I’ve seen that medal during my search. Both sides are quite lovely.

I agree.

I find it astounding that Dassier's work on the rouble did not meet with the Empress's approval. To my mind it is, in all its variations, by far the most attractive of all of her coin or medal portraits.

Here is the Dassier medal for the founding of the University which IgorS mentioned: LINK

Even the Timofei Ivanov coin portrait of 1757-1761 (which replaced Dassier's work), shows Dassier's influence (although the Ivanov version is officially derived from Benjamin Scott's work as ordered by the Empress).

I can;t find any coins there!

The collection link was originally posted in 2005.

In 2007, Sekine's collection was sold at auction and it appears that he has removed the pictures of his collection from his website.

You can see some of his coins starting HERE and in the following lots . Click on the images for a closer view.

Lots preceding this link were wire money. I don't know if they were Sekine's or not.

All I can say is WOW WOW WOW! What a beauty! I have heard that these shooting medals are expensive. True or not?

It depends upon what your idea of "expensive" is (really).

Based upon their rarity, most (in my opinion) are relatively inexpensive as the series is (again, my opinion) underappreciated and undercollected.

They are classically beautiful in their design and most were issued in tiny mintages. I like them very much, but do not collect them, because I need to maintain some sort of discipline in my collecting activity.

The striking of medals from the Grand Duke’s dies was a private matter and I see no problem

with the existence of one or more gold medals. It is also likely that trial strikes existed (or still do)

in lead and tin. The Grand Duke was, after all, a collector and would have had specimens in

various metals struck for his personal holdings.

 

The Grand Duke’s home in St. Petersburg was looted by mobs when the Bolsheviks seized power

and many of his possessions, such as books and papers, were simply thrown into the street. It takes

little imagination to think that his stock of medals was stolen at that time.

 

RWJ

There is merit in your comments and previously unknown examples of rarities do surface occasionally, but it seems reasonable to question how it has remained completely unknown until now and where it has been all these years.

It seems that the eagle on the medal only represents France.

Thank you for a very helpful and informative reply.

The French eagle savages the Russian double-headed eagle. .

I thought that France usually used a rooster as its symbolic national bird rather than an eagle.

I'm wondering if the eagle represents the alliance, rather than France alone?

I know that technically I am in the wrong forum as you are coin people.

Thank you for posting this most interesting medal.

Coins and medals are numismatically related and often complementary. Coin collections are much enhanced by the inclusion of related medals.

I am continually impressed by the research skills and historical appreciation of medal collectors.

That is an awesome coin.

They don't make them like that anymore.

I don't know if the hang around here but on omnicoin vajaho, LawrenceChard, Ian (2) all have coins listed.

Maybe they will come to the rescue here.

I know the first one was a mistake but I can't edit the post from here becaue I'm at a really stupid computer

That's the trouble I've always had with computers. They insist on doing what I tell them to do and not what I want them to do. It's very frustrating.

The great coin famine of 1695!

and so ends the line? It cant be!

Don't give up just yet. This thread seems to have hit dry spots before (one lasted for well over a month) and then resumed.

Thus begins the transition from early Russian Milled coinage, back in time now to the famous "Men Wearing Wigs" period of world history"

We actually passed that point some time ago.

I think a strong case can be made that Peter II's French-style tresses (see my avatar coin) were not his natural hair.

Ditto for the Leopold (the Hogmouth) coins posted by worldcoinguy. That 1697 sixpence posted by ElleKitty is probably another.

Frank's 1696 jeton is for sure.

1702 Russian Peter I poltina.

Wonderful poltina!!! ;)

And super grivna, squirrel!

Here is a 1700 denga...

Now who has a 1699 pattern poltina?

Overstruck on a polupoltinnik or something, which is then "fixed" by clipping the rest of the planchet

Maybe.

Or it could be a grivennik flan that somehow ended up in a polupoltinnik press and was struck, then fed into the 10 kop press & overstruck as the correct denomination.

Here's a copper kopek with a small clip...

I think I need to clean my scanner.

WOW Wicked awesome Poltina too!!

Thank you. I am glad you like them. Of the various portraits of Peter I seen on his coins, the design used on the 1707 poltinnik is my favorite.

On to 1706...

And here is my 1710 Russian kopek (Cyrillic date AѰІ, MD mint variety with upside-down M, Bitkin 3386 [R1]):

That's a really neat error coin.