almingbg Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 Hi everyone Here come several banknotes from the city of Fiume, today Rijeka, Croatia. Banknotes are rather scarce, you don't see them every day. Fiume PS101a 1 krona 1916 - circular stamp Citta di Fiume similar banknote: Next one is Fiume PS108c 10 kronen 1915 (1921) - circular stam Citta di Fiume on the obverse, and rectangular stamp Instituto di Credito Consiglio Nazionale on the reverse And the last one is Fiume PS112d 50 kronen 1914 (1921), with both stamps on the obverse: bye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 Nice notes! We dont' get to see them too often. It's good to see the types of overstamps on them. Is there a reason that some of them have the second square overstamp along with the circular one? Or do the top notes have the square stamps on their reverse? Congrats on getting these - cool notes to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccg Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 Interesting. Did they have their own note issues, or only temp / emergency issue overstamped Austrian notes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almingbg Posted January 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Interesting. Did they have their own note issues, or only temp / emergency issue overstamped Austrian notes? Hi ccg There are some other banknotes, from mid 1800 and post WW1, but they are some kind of emergency issues too. More details can be found in a catalogue by Borna Barac: Paper money from the states of the former Yugoslavia More info about city of Fiume / Rijeka can be found on wikipedia: Free State of Fiume, and even some info about Fiume krone (very basic and incomplete). There are some other resources about Fiume kroner, but they are in Croatian: Papirni novac - Fiume - D'Annunzio (Paper money - Fiume - D'Annunzio) Krune "CITTA DI FIUME" i problem valute u Rijeci od godine 1918-1924. (Kroner "Citta di Fiume" and monetary problem in Rijeka in years 1918-1924) best regards Almin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almingbg Posted January 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Nice notes! We dont' get to see them too often. It's good to see the types of overstamps on them. Is there a reason that some of them have the second square overstamp along with the circular one? Or do the top notes have the square stamps on their reverse? Congrats on getting these - cool notes to have. Thanx dave Yes, there is a reason for two overstamps. Actually, there are three different overstamps - the third one is knows as Savoy or SABAUDO coat of arms, used by Italian army. Banknotes with this overstamp are extremely rare (unfortunately, not my collection): Right after WW1 (september 1919) Italian troops, led by D'Annunzio, marched in Fiume and annexed the city to Italy. They accepted Austro-Hungarian monetary system and every banknote that circulated in the area was overstamped. The first type of stamp was SABAUDO stamp. Together with it, the second type was introduced - the oval stamp CITTA DI FIUME. This one was in use for only a couple of weeks, because of heavy counterfeits. In the beginning oh November 1919. the third stamp was introduced - rectangular stamp INSTITUTO DI CREDITO - CONSIGLIO NAZIONALE - CITTA DI FIUME. Only the higher value banknotes (10-1000 kroner) with type II stamp were overstamped with the third stamp. Papirni novac - Fiume - D'Annunzio (Paper money - Fiume - D'Annunzio) page shows all overstamped banknotes with values in € for fine, VF and XF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art1.2 Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Interesting. So do I get it right that the overstamp made the note "legal" currency in the newly acquired area? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almingbg Posted January 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Yes, that's right. And to prohibit the use of the same but not overstamped banknotes from other countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art1.2 Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Yes, that's right. And to prohibit the use of the same but not overstamped banknotes from other countries. Do you know what conditions existed that allowed stamping of some notes? Was it a tax thing or a valid "papers" thing or ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almingbg Posted January 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Do you know what conditions existed that allowed stamping of some notes? Was it a tax thing or a valid "papers" thing or ? I'm not sure that I understand your question. I'll try to describe the political and monetary situation in that region. WW1 ended in December 1918, and one of results was the crash of the Austro-Hungarian empire and the creation of several new countries: Czech republic, Hungaria, Kingdom of Yugoslavia, (maybe, I'm not sure) Romania, Fiume (as a free city)... Austro-Hungarian money soon started to loose it's value, and those new countries decided to "mark" or "validate" A-U kroner found on their territories, to prevent circulation of fresh printed (and worthless) A-U kroner. You can try to put this document into Google translate (Croatian->English), the result is actually quite good (one thing: Rijeka means river, but I don't think that there's any river in the city of Rijeka ) best regards Almin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almingbg Posted January 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Here's the lint to the translated document Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art1.2 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Interesting. Thanks for the info. So it was currency control to prevent the influx of deflated currencies into their local economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almingbg Posted January 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinnotes Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 There exist many forgeries of the round stamps (not of the rectangular overprint). They are found on uncirculated and on used notes as well. I was told they are/were mainly produced in Croatia. Erwin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_idk Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 Just a little remark. Italian poet Gabriele D'Annunzio didn't led Italian troops (I mean, it wasn't Italian Army) but a group of volunteers, that were driven away from Fiume from Italian Army itself, since he refused an Italian-Yugoslavian agreement. After that, a new agreement made Fiume an Italian city, until Yugoslavian victory (1945). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottishmoney Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 The overstamps were more like validation for the note. I have some similar notes from Bukovina, which was previously part of Austro-Hungarian Empire but then was claimed by Romania, Ukraine People's Republic and then USSR when USSR took the region in early 1920's. I have to wonder how many times that the validation stamps were forged though, very easy to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teodor Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 hi every one after seeing of this topic I have check my mess of old things at home and I found this one banknote. What do you think about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art1.2 Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 Hello and welcome to CoinPeople. Quite a nice note you've found there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teodor Posted August 19, 2013 Report Share Posted August 19, 2013 thank you. Primary I collect orders and medals but I like old things so I have also militaria, old books, etc. and of course also some coins and banknotes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freak Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 hello, welcome, very nice note Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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