sigistenz Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 This beauty will be auctioned by Künker in Berlin - see sixbid. Though looking like a business strike, it is a very early novodel, from only few years later than dated. Too bad I cannot afford it.... Sigi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art1.2 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Looks nice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I thought is was a novodel, but it is a beauty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Can you find a matching eagle type on the "later" years coins? Nice novode! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted January 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Can you find a matching eagle type on the "later" years coins? Nice novode! I did find this eagle only on various novodels dated 1757. Sigi . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Sorry I had to update (edit) my original post, as I had to correct what I said before, after digging in a little deeper. The eagle doesn't look like a novodel element (unlike the rest of the coin). It looks very similar, and probably was used from, SPB rouble eagle master-die, and resembles closely this one: However, the above rouble is also a novodel. Please correct me if I am wrong. It looks like it was made based on 1775-1776 roubles: But it was not made exclusively for novodel coins. It was already made, and used on established dies in 1788 for copper 5 kopecks overstrike on SPB (SPM) mint: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 This eagle is used on different years dated novodels, up to 1781 I think: The reason we couldn't find it easily on real coins at a glance is that 1788 SPM 5 kopecks usually don't have a clear. full picture of the eagle, they all incomplete due to overstriking issues. So, I think, this is one of those cases when we can say thank you to novodel for being able to see the full picture of the SPM 1788 eagle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 There is also this coin in Historical Musium: With a story attached to it, saying that this fantasy novodel was made in 1963, dated 1757 with EII monogram and presented to Ekaterina II. The story is a complete fantasy itself, of cause. It's a "novodel" fantasy made after 1788, with the eagle die that was used for 1757 novodel that Sigi showed, that later had letters CPM (SPM) added for making other novodels with later dates of EII reign. That's how it seams to me, anyway. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Also used on AM in 1789 and MM in 1788... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted January 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Indeed Eugene, I had never compared the eagles to this point.. From 1763 on С.ПМ used different eagles for the pyataky and only in 1788 they took out the nice 1757 novodel dies for the pyataky again. Or maybe was the 1757 novodel die used for pyataky all the time at С.ПМ along with other dies? I must look into my archives. Great information again, thank you! Sigi . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 I thought that looked familiar! This coin is in my collection... From Markov, some years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 It looks like the whole MM, SPM 1788-1789 series used this eagle. MM also used it in 1795. AM and TM in 1787-1789 used a similar, but somewhat different eagles... I thought that looked familiar! This coin is in my collection... From Markov, some years ago. Nice coin to have in the collection! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAJ Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 A basic question, but how does one know when a novodel such as this was minted? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 Only by finding out that and when this eagle was made available for general issues (and if it ever was). In this case it was. Surely it was made not exclusively for novodels. They used already made elements as much as they could to make the production of novodel easy and cheap. I guess that by comparing the eagle side to SPM 1788 general issues, it's easy to see that they are identical... No direct information is available, but this informative guess... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Sigi, you may find this topic interesting, and so may many others who are into collecting 5 kopecks of EII. It's in Russian, but even without doing much reading you may see the pictures. The toughest 10 (and now 20) pyataks of EII to collect: http://coins.su/forum/index.php?showtopic=165273&page=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted July 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 Thank you Eugene, some very interesting pictures of rare coins . Sigi . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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