dingendoener Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 I bought this in Russia on a market. It looks far too new for the periode. http://www.ebay.nl/itm/RUSSIA-NGC-MS-62-BN-5-KOPEKS-1852-EM-RARE-THIS-NICE-/360642684057?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item53f7faa499#ht_1114wt_1163 Real or fake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingendoener Posted May 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 Real one. Notice the hair on the neck of the eagle? very different... http://www.ebay.nl/itm/RUSSIA-NGC-MS-62-BN-5-KOPEKS-1852-EM-RARE-THIS-NICE-/360642684057?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item53f7faa499#ht_1114wt_1163 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingendoener Posted May 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 I found out it's fake. Can be closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigistenz Posted May 10, 2013 Report Share Posted May 10, 2013 I found out it's fake. Can be closed. Dag Dingendoener en welkom! 1853 is the rarest and most expensive date. As Russian coins have been booming for quite some years, everybody in Russia is aware thereof. Of course any flea market dealer will look into one of their good and cheap catalogs first. Chances to buy a real coin below value are very dim. Your coin looks suspicious because of the strange uneven (=artificial?) toning. A sharp closeup could tell more. NOW MY QUESTION: HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT IT IS FAKE? Please tell us what you found out Thank you, Sigi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexbq2 Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 NOW MY QUESTION: HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT IT IS FAKE? Please tell us what you found out Thank you, Sigi Sigi, this is a fake. Look on eBay there's a whole set of these, all years in both EM and BM. Some have been aged. I look at the rider and at the eagle's talons to tell them apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted May 17, 2013 Report Share Posted May 17, 2013 Here are an 1851BM and 1853BM that were posted recently at rnumis http://www.rnumis.com/dev/rnumis_research_0.php?db_pgtyp=db_pgtyp_rf_single&rf_id=200 http://www.rnumis.co...ingle&rf_id=201 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 This is not an extremely clear example, but I'd say it is a fake. I am not going to be passing quick judgement on this one though. I had a few drinks now, so, let me come back to it later. Uneven toning is possible on a real coin as well, it's the stamp qualities that we need to assess as Alix rightfully noted. I am yet to compare it to the known fakes, if I find some. Here is one example for you to compare to, it is a real coin: Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted May 18, 2013 Report Share Posted May 18, 2013 General consensus - coin in the first post is a fake... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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