bagerap Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 It's also in need of a long soak in the oil bath. In the centre of the obverse are three Fleurs de Lysr and there is one on the reverse. Apart from that, zilch. Except that, as with most jetons, it looks familiar. Can any of our jetonistas help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constanius Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 I could make out AVE MARIA which lead me to this http://www.ukdfd.co....date=1208033591 looks to be similar perhaps yours is the one referenced by Mitchiner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 Well done Pat. These XV century French jetons are known by their different obverses (crown, lamb of God, king's portrait, etc.). This one is a jeton "à l'écu de France." I'm looking in Feuardent for the catalogue number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagerap Posted March 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 Your cruise has done you the world of good Pat, your eyes are certainly better than mine. The reverse is almost a perfect match. Where the Mitchiner has: AVE MARIA GRACIA C (or E) mine has a clearly struck and preserved P. l can't wait to see what a month in oil will do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 I think you are mistaken about the number of fleur de lis there are obverse. I think there are six...there are certainly more than three If i'm right, then it looks to me to be the spitting image of Rouyer 1161 (of which there are quite a number of variants) They appear in CGB's `jetons XX' - jetons et mereaux du moyen age. the description is given as (obverse): AVE MARIA . GRACIA . PLENA (shield with six f de l within a rosace of six lobes) (reverse): AVE MARIA : GRACIA P (the `colon' punctuating the legend consists of two small stars) In the centre a cross `fleurdelisee' (ie a f de l on each point) with a f de l at its centre. Jetons XX is dated 2004 and gives a value for a Fine example as 7 euro. The variations are in relation to the legends .i cant fully read yours with certainty, but it is certainly Rouyer 1161 or a variant of it. I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagerap Posted March 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 I concur with Ian, it does look as though though there are more than three Fleur de Lys. It's one of the reasons I'm soaking it. I'll try the microscope before it has a bath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 I can see the colon punctuating the reverse legend (ie MARIA : GRACIA) on the reverse. if you look closely you'll see that it is actually two small star shapes. No need for a microscope if i can see it .......and i'm as blind as a bat without my glasses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constanius Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 ......and i'm as blind as a bat without my glasses Blind as a bat, maybe but you nailed that one Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagerap Posted March 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 I've found some images of Rouyer 1161 and all seem to have a crown on the obverse shield in the very spot where I have a FdL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Not all variants have the crown However may I suggest you look for Rouyer 1160 (my apologies, now that i've put my glasses on ) That reference is the appropriate fit. Unfortunately CGB seem to have changed their site. You used to be able to research the content of their catalogues (of which Jetons XX is one). I think they are intending selling these as electronic downloads, hence the reason why (possibly) they no longer appear to be accessible via their web site. (edit) ..................A little bit of sleuthing later see this link: http://www.cgb.fr/rouyer-viii-jetons-classes-par-types-jeton-de-compte,fjt_090341,a.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagerap Posted March 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Thank you Ian. Perfect. Strangely enough I've been bemoaning the state of cgb on another forum recently. It's sad that what was one of the best resources in Europe has now become unwieldy and unresponsive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constanius Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Rouyer is online http://archive.org/s...e/n212/mode/2up this might be of help when you have cleaned it. You can download it as a pdf & the illustrated plates are quite clear, whereas online they are mostly missing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagerap Posted March 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Pat, this is fantastic stuff. I'm getting immersed in the book already. Can't find a way of downloading it however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constanius Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Left side of the header click on 'openlibrary.org' or go direct to http://openlibrary.o...les_et_antiques there you can select from a few download choices, I know the picture plates are excellent in the PDF files. Glad you are enjoying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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