constanius Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 This one completes the set of three Frederick Wilhelm III by Kettle,this one & the next are certainly by Thomas Kettle in 1814 but there is some doubt for the last one, which I still think was the work of Henry Kettle in 1796. What is not in doubt is that the person portrayed on all these medals is Frederick Wilhelm II(who died in 1797) not his son, Frederick Wilhelm III. Fauver(Exonumia Symbolism etc) lists this as; Frederick 1814-2b(for brass) P(for plain edge) 24 . 5mm R-8(5-10 known), mine is AE, not listed as such. Obv. FRIED WILHELM KOENIG VON PRUSSEN Rev. DIE/ FREYHEIT/ VON EUROPA/ WIEDER HERGESTELLT/ BEY ENGLAND/ UND IHREN/ BUNDS GENOSSEN/ DER FRIEDE/ UNTERSCHRIEBEN/ ZU PARIS/ MAY 30 1814. For a translation see the next medal. Frederick 1814-1b(b for brass) P(for plain edge) 24 . 5mm R-5 (75-200 known) my example is AE, not listed as such. Obv. Uniformed bust of the King of Prussia, bare head, right. FRIED WILHELM KOENIG VON PRUSSEN (Friedrick Wilhelm, King of Prussia) Rev. THE / LIBERTIES / OF EUROPE RESTD. / BY THE UNITED / EFFORTS OF ENGLAND / AND HER / AUGUST ALLIES / THE / PRELIMINARIES / OF PEACE SIGNED / MAY 30 / 1814 Also listed by Brown in BHM #809 - 1814, Bronze(traces of gilt) 25mm N.(for normal) by T. Kettle. Only listed in brass. Fauver(Exonumia Symbolism etc) places this as 1814 Frederick-3kpa(gold plated copper) P(plain edge) 23 . 5 mm R-8(5-10 known) by Thomas Kettle 1814. I still think it was produced by Henry Kettle in 1797 to commemorate Frederick Wilhelm II's death in that year, see previous post http://www.coinpeopl...__fromsearch__1 It is almost an exact copy of the Prussian 1796 d'or with the Berlin mintmark A. That would mean that the portrait on this medal, if produced in 1797 for Frederick II's death, was the correct one to use, whereas if it is a 1814 medal it was the wrong one. Why Thomas used the deceased King's image for his son's in 1814 is a bit strange, maybe just a mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schutzenfester Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 By the rarity you state, as well as your own words, congratulations on the fine accomplishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedeadpoint Posted September 20, 2012 Report Share Posted September 20, 2012 Might you be the first person to pull this off? Congrats!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constanius Posted September 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2012 Thanks guys for the congratulations, as to "first to pull it off?", I know I am the first to post all three together online In fact I could not find pictures of any of them using Google image search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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elverno Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constanius Posted October 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2012 Nice to see you back Vern, we have missed you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry2 Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 Hello everyone, this is my 1st post here and I know it is reviving an old thread but I have recently acquired one of these medals. Does anyone here happen to know anything else on these, as already said above there is hardly any information on this coin, if there is only 5-10 known to exist I have only found 3 examples, one here, one in a museum, and the one I have just received. I been going nuts trying to find any more information on this or any other Kettle medals that were made, any help would be appreciated. Here is mine, its been beaten pretty bad but is definitely the 1st medal posted up above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedeadpoint Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 Welcome to the forum! Constanius can definitely help you out I think! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry2 Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 Welcome to the forum! Constanius can definitely help you out I think! I'm hoping so, being so rare there is really nothing to go by to price it, the only thing I have to go on is what is listed here. Thanks for the welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constanius Posted July 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 Unfortunately, if you are a seller, the value of this type of exonumia is not too high, great if you are a buyer though. I only paid about $30 for mine over Ebay. Even though it is extremely rare there are not too many collectors, unless 2 people decide that they "must have it" I would expect it to go for only $20-$40. You do have an advantage in that you can supply some info about its rarity etc, the seller of mine posted no info at all. If you do a search for Kettle in this forum you will find lots of info on the Kettle family(Henry & Thomas) of die-sinkers' tokens/medal in my posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry2 Posted July 13, 2013 Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 Thanks for the reply, well of to ebay it goes then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constanius Posted July 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2013 Good luck, hope you get a good price, at least we will see what it goes for. Feel free to use any of the info I have posted here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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