one-kuna Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 I noticed that the following took place: Lot 8012 Yefimok on Norvegian daler 1642 estimate 2000 euro - realized 13000 Lot 8015 Moscow ruble 1707 estimate 20000 euro - unsold Lot 8022 Moscow poltina 1701 estimate 40000 euro - sold 70000 Lot 8023 Moscow poltina 1702 estimate 7500 euro - sold 22000 Lot 8033 Moscow polu/poltina 1705 estimate 1000 euro - unsold Lot 8035 Moscow ruble 1705 estimate 7500 euro - unsold Lot 8077 silver medal Nishtadt peace 1721 Russia&Sweden estimate 30000 euro - unsold Lot 8084 Morning ruble 1725 estimate 2500 euro - unsold Lot 8113 Gedlinger novodel ruble 1736 estimate 10000 euro - sold 26000 Lot 8127 Moscow gold 10 rubles 1758 estimate 20000 euro - sold 40000 Lot 8191 Medal silver 1743 Elizabeth, Liberation Abo Sweden estimate 5000 - sold 16000 Lot 8193 Medal silver 1754 Elizabeth, by Ivanov estimate 2500 - sold 15000 Lot 8246 - Sestroretsk novodel ruble 1771 estimate 50000 - unsold Lot 8330 - 2 copper kopeks pattern 1811 estimate 7500 - sold 24000 Lot 8331 - Copper pattern denga 1811 estimate 2500 - sold 16000 Lot 8343 - Silver medal Count Sheremetiev estimate 10000 - sold 21000 Lot 8365 - Platinum 12 rubles 1831 estimate 20000 - sold 38000 Lot 8366 - Platinum 6 rubles 1829 estimate 10000 - sold 22000 Lot 8367 - Platinum 6 rubles 1830 estimate 7500 - sold 15000 Lot 8368 - Platinum 6 rubles 1831 estimate 10000 - sold 28000 Lot 8439 - 10 Zlotykh silver 1827 estimate 10000 - sold 30000 Lot 8464 - Platinum coronation jeton 1726 estimate 2500 - sold 11000 Lot 8469 - Silver plack 1838 by Gube estimate 1000 - sold 16000 Lot 8566 - Gold 10 rubles 1890 Alexander III estimate 7500 -sold 34000 Lot 8622 - Silver ruble 1901 estimate 1500 - sold 9500 Lot 8634 - Silver poltina 1903 estimate 4000 - sold 14000 Lot 8635 - Silver poltina 1904 estimate 5000 - sold 12500 Lot 8649 - Gold polu/imperial 1895 estimnate 100000 - sold 140000 Lot 8656 - Silver Gangut ruble 1914 - estimate 7500 - sold 17000 Lot 8657 - Pattern copper 5 kopeks 1916 - estimate 2500 - sold 24000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...

Timofei Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 8084 'Mourning ruble' in not in unsold type of result. It is a fake coin, so there is no result for it at all. All the rest is normal, IMO, except I did not understand Norvegian efimok's price. Was it a Fuchs's coin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...

one-kuna Posted October 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 Norvegian Yefimok is not from Kraus (1928), Fuchs (1997), Kruz (2004) and Triton (2006) - the largest Yefimoks offering world-wide beside museums holdings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...

alexbq2 Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 Is it just me, or does the last digit in the date look altered? http://www.sixbid.com/nav.php?p=viewlot&sid=285&lot=8243 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...

grivna1726 Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 All the rest is normal, IMO, except I did not understand Norvegian efimok's price. I also don't understand this price, but I also don't collect these, so maybe I'm missing something that the buyer saw. The Dutch lion dollar type seems to turn up fairly frequently, but I don't remember seeing Norwegian coins as often. Maybe it is a rare host coin for the issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...

IgorS Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 Lot 8015 was withdrawn from the auction (along with some other lots). This was 1707 rouble with authenticity report from Shiryakov from GIM. That's interesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...

grivna1726 Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 Lot 8015 was withdrawn from the auction (along with some other lots). This was 1707 rouble with authenticity report from Shiryakov from GIM. That's interesting... Igor, were you present at the auction? The coin had a strong estimate (like the 1705) and like the 1705, it was also a novodel and both pieces are listed as unsold. Maybe the reserve was higher than bidders would go for novodels? Was the coin actually withdrawn? And, if so, was it because of doubt regarding authenticity? If these are fakes, then I think that they are very dangerous ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...

IgorS Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 Igor, were you present at the auction? The coin had a strong estimate (like the 1705) and like the 1705, it was also a novodel and both pieces are listed as unsold. Maybe the reserve was higher than bidders would go for novodels? Was the coin actually withdrawn? And, if so, was it because of doubt regarding authenticity? If these are fakes, then I think that they are very dangerous ones. Grivna, yes, I was there. Both pieces were withdrawn based on authenticity doubts expressed by some auction participants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...

one-kuna Posted October 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 I noticed that the following took place: Lot 8012 Yefimok on Norvegian daler 1642 estimate 2000 euro - realized 13000 Lot 8015 Moscow ruble 1707 estimate 20000 euro - unsold Lot 8022 Moscow poltina 1701 estimate 40000 euro - sold 70000 Lot 8023 Moscow poltina 1702 estimate 7500 euro - sold 22000 Lot 8033 Moscow polu/poltina 1705 estimate 1000 euro - unsold Lot 8035 Moscow ruble 1705 estimate 7500 euro - unsold Lot 8077 silver medal Nishtadt peace 1721 Russia&Sweden estimate 30000 euro - unsold Lot 8084 Morning ruble 1725 estimate 2500 euro - unsold Lot 8113 Gedlinger novodel ruble 1736 estimate 10000 euro - sold 26000 Lot 8127 Moscow gold 10 rubles 1758 estimate 20000 euro - sold 40000 Lot 8191 Medal silver 1743 Elizabeth, Liberation Abo Sweden estimate 5000 - sold 16000 Lot 8193 Medal silver 1754 Elizabeth, by Ivanov estimate 2500 - sold 15000 Lot 8246 - Sestroretsk novodel ruble 1771 estimate 50000 - unsold Lot 8330 - 2 copper kopeks pattern 1811 estimate 7500 - sold 24000 Lot 8331 - Copper pattern denga 1811 estimate 2500 - sold 16000 Lot 8343 - Silver medal Count Sheremetiev estimate 10000 - sold 21000 Lot 8365 - Platinum 12 rubles 1831 estimate 20000 - sold 38000 Lot 8366 - Platinum 6 rubles 1829 estimate 10000 - sold 22000 Lot 8367 - Platinum 6 rubles 1830 estimate 7500 - sold 15000 Lot 8368 - Platinum 6 rubles 1831 estimate 10000 - sold 28000 Lot 8439 - 10 Zlotykh silver 1827 estimate 10000 - sold 30000 Lot 8464 - Platinum coronation jeton 1726 estimate 2500 - sold 11000 Lot 8469 - Silver plack 1838 by Gube estimate 1000 - sold 16000 Lot 8566 - Gold 10 rubles 1890 Alexander III estimate 7500 -sold 34000 Lot 8622 - Silver ruble 1901 estimate 1500 - sold 9500 Lot 8634 - Silver poltina 1903 estimate 4000 - sold 14000 Lot 8635 - Silver poltina 1904 estimate 5000 - sold 12500 Lot 8649 - Gold polu/imperial 1895 estimnate 100000 - sold 140000 Lot 8656 - Silver Gangut ruble 1914 - estimate 7500 - sold 17000 Lot 8657 - Pattern copper 5 kopeks 1916 - estimate 2500 - sold 24000 In addtion to the short overview of most important pieces above, there was a long run of copper error coins. Some of them were sold little over estimate, some left unsold, and only one, 2 kopeks, was sold few times more than estimate, something like over 1100 euro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...

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