Ætheling

Also have you any idea how hard it is to find a Chruchill in MS 65 or higher.

Harder still are Churchills below F. I'd love to see one grading Poor, talk about design improvement!

Looks like they've restraightened that one, i have seen them still bent in half before... eek.

I take it you don't like banknotes. :wink:

It's not that i don't like them, it's just they're not medieval enough. And they lack the silver. I like silver.

One Æthelingian thought for you;

"Gold, Silver and Paper all have one thing in common, their worth is in their weight".

In most of the world, if the money changes, it means that the government has fallen.  That is not a message we want to send.  Also, we have exported a huge fraction of our inflation as the dollar is an international currency.  Demonetizing any of it could cause much of it to come home as dollars are exchanged for euros or whatever.

How come we get coins demonetised all the time then? One or more denominations were demonetised in the following years;

1696, 1733, 1816, 1869, 1971, 1980, 1984, 1990, 1993 and latterly 1998.

Oh yeah this is the kinda stuff i need! I better find those sixers as fast as i can!

I have the Turks/Caicos silver Churchill commem which is like a Churchill crown on steroids.  PM for details if you like.

That horrifies me greatly.

On the sixpence front i'll try and dig them out for you. I might also still have some Decimal crowns from the UK, 1972, 1977, 1980 and 1981. (Which is a full set of Decimals)

I'll let you know when i've found them. I accept 'scrap' junk silver US coins in payment, so for instance that Washington Quarter you were so keen to get shut off, always welcome! I love silver Washington Quarters in any grade.

AWACS

 

Really the only real Facts that can be brought is the failure of the SB and the Sac dollar .

 

I do not see Government estimates as evidence!!!

 

its really clear that most folks dont really like the Idea, maybe the Government ought to listen to the people and quit trying to shove it down our throats.

 

Rick

To be fair what really doesn't help the coin case there is the Government picked two complete duds design wise. The SBA's lack something and the Sacs are plain ugly and to make matters worse they were struck in an unsuitable alloy that just tones 'yeuk'.

If they introduced a nice coin design and stuck with it then it might have worked.

Of course constantly changing designs does not help the coin case in any way, shape or form. I think this Presidential series will be a total failure too. People like what they are familiar with. The President series with it rotations will just add a further feel of instability to the whole concept of a dollar coin.

Sixpences hey?

You say culls... how culled can you accept? I had a bagful of about 50 or 60 George VI and Elizabeth II Cupro-Nickel ones although some had a bit or verdigris. The thing is i can't remember exactly where i had put them, but would they be the kind of thig you were looking for? Or did you want the silver ones? Cos i'm clean out of those!

On the note/coin front. If you consider yourself a forward thinking person that wants progress then you'll find the coin is progress because it makes more sense. More economical, they last longer, more durable etc.

If you're the ultimate force in conservatism like me then you'd back the coin yet again, coins came before paper money, so that's a good reason to back it in the first place.

See with a coin you can't lose.

America is the fattest country on earth, and people have shorter attention spans this doesn't make them bad, it is just fact, fat people are still productive. People will gripe at the swtich then move on. That news story will be the flavour of the month and then die, and again folks will move on and use the dollar coin.

As opposed to Britain of course where people tend to have very long attention spans. So much so that the older generations will still ask for a quarter of sweets for 10 bob (i.e 10 shillings). Considering we've been decimal since 1971 it might come as a surprise to some to find people over 50 still walking around referring to things in shillings.

We just don't forget things, nor do we like change. So should the UK switch to the euro anytime soon (heaven forbid) then you can expect us walking around in 2030 referring to things in pounds and pence still. We do it on purpose, i'm sure.

At least radiactivity can be easily tracked (geiger counter, scintillation, etc).  Some compounds that are probably as bad or worse are much hard to keep an eye on.

I think Hydrofluoric acid has got to be one of the worst, really nasty stuff.

Which suddenly doesn't make this stuff seem quite as bad;

Wow you guys and gals get coins all the time!

I haven't had anything new since the last time i posted on here...

Depending upon how you interpret that it could just refer to the demonetisation of the SBA $s as they were the ones issued IMMEDIATELY before the Sac (which i presume is the one being referred to in; 5112(n)(7) of title 31, United States Code)

Or does 'immediately' refer to every issue before the Sac? Which means this bill is effectively demonetising Morgans, Peace and Ike Dollars if they haven't already been demonetised that is?

Francium, if you could find it would be fun/deadly.  But it's radioactive, and nobody likes radiation.

Ha that reminds me. I remember a certain Chemistry teacher at school was trying to get the point across about how some metals were unsuitable for certain tasks. We got onto the topic of lead roofing and he said "ah here's a point in question, i mean you couldn't realistically use magnesium for such a task", whereupon on member of the class turned around and said "Sir, what if the roof was lined with Francium", the reply "we'd be dead... and there'd be no school left". Whereupon i said "and knowing us it'd be acid rain as well that day..."

It'd be interesting though to see what would happen, would moisture in the air force the Fr to react and explode before a raindrop even touched it? Or would the instability of the element itself be the deciding factor?

Still i bet Francium Hydroxide is particularly powerful.

Anyway, I'm of the opinion that verdigris won't eat a silver coin the way it will a bronze or copper coin.

It won't be as 'aggressive' since the silver is in the way, but on a .500 silver piece half of it is copper, on a .900 silver piece 10% is copper. If the copper has migrated to the surface then the coin is in trouble.

Jersey;

1953-1967 coinage (although the dates are varied here and there because coins were only struck every now and again). I can't find who designed the obverse but it's different to the Gillick one. It's of the Queen crowned with wavy hair. Although it's Gillick like.

1968-1997 coinage is almost eclusively of the Machin obverse.

1998+ is Rank Broadley.

(The Maklouf was not used for circulating coinage).

I meant no longer in use in the UK. (My post was UK only)

I dare say some country somewhere will still use it. Jersey as far as i know (excepting a few commems) didn't bother with it. Although i'd have to check that.

I'm hoping others can help us figure out this one. It'd be nice to know when everywhere changed and to what.

The prcess it supposed to recover any sliver content in the corrosion and plate it back on the coin not add additional silver from another source.

You are correct pluss should go to the pot and minus to the coin...

Anode Cathode ... Takes me back to a time when my brain used to work....

Come on you can't turn down an overweight coin can you?

This also has a lot to do with the age of the collector so maybe you should add that to the poll as well....

Well yeah there's that too. I'd give anything to be 20 years older so i would have had the chance to find silver in circulation. I spent most of my earliest days in collecting (1990-1993) looking for silver in change, but unfortunately the early 1980s had seen most of it disappear when the bullion rates went up. Thus it was worse than searching for a needle in a haystack.

I still look through change now hoping to find some foreign coins hoping they'll be silver. All i seem to get (and it rare these days) is Lincoln cents and the odd euro, which i either throw in a box somewhere and forget about or do my best to try and conceal them in a pile of pennies somewhere and get shut of.

I think if i was in the US i would have been looking through Half dollar rolls every week scouring every one i could lay my hands on looking for the silver. Silver is the most wonderful thing. I usually have to buy junk quality US coins off of ebay for a premium. You know like double the silver price. £4/£5 a kennedy half. Mucho fun...

Well the oldest i ever came across was a 1930s George V .500 silver florin. I forget the exact date of the coin but from memory i was sent to the shop with it by my mother to buy a bottle of milk in about 1992. So bottle of milk she got. I didn't want to spend it but it wasn't mine and i didn't have another 10p piece anywhere on me to be able to save it.

I managed to find one eventually about an hour later and i went back to the little Post Office at the end of the street for the coin but it had already gone by then. Thus bang went my only brush with a silver coin in circulation, and the only time i ever saw a George V coin.

Other than that the oldest coins i found regularly were 1947 florins which were demonetised in 1993.

Which means the oldest coins i get now are 1971 and since they were issued in the billions and you get half a dozen a day it's hardly worth the bother to check change anymore.

Okay the 1980s+ probably weren't needed but in the times of euro coinage i though it only fair to add them.

Feel free to add a brief post (or not so brief post) on what you found/spent and where, and more importantly if you spent it, why!

If you want to take metal off of the coin then stick it on the anode (+).

Yeah i'd considered that one.

Surely you'd need a silver containing solution to immerse the coin into though, otherwise where is the silver being plated onto the coin going to come from? (Unless it's coming off of the coin).

And the coin should be popped on the cathode i believe (-).

Na loses 1 electron to a non-metal meaning it becomes a + ion. Thus i would think most metals would follow that pattern of losing electrons and becoming + ions, thus the metal will go to the - rod so the coin wants to be on that one.

If i've got that all wrong never mind it's a long time since i did any science.

Right say you had a pretty cheap silver coin with verdigris on it and you've got nothing much to lose by cleaning it. Afterall you have to clean it otherwise the verdigris will spread and destroy it. Lets say the silver purity is .900 or higher.

Could you clean it via a displacement reaction?

Silver coin, silver Nitate etc... or would it just make it worse?

A totally off the wall idea... the more i think about it the more stupid it sounds.