Ætheling

At 41mm and 2 ounces in weight (that's regular ounces)

A very big and very heavy coin, imagine 120 of them jangling, alright thudding in your pocket. You can see why they didn't take off in a big way. 1797 only year of issue.

If it's the same size as a Churchill crown (or any other British crown be it 1951, 1953 or whatever) and it says 25p on it no where, then yes it's very likely it's a 25p coin. As you can well imagine they don't circulate. Infact most Brits don't even know they have a 25p coin.

Why is it that big you ask? Because 1 shilling is 5 new pence, and thus 5 shillings is 25 new pence. The denomination altered to decimal, the size like the 10p (florin) and 5p (shilling) coins remained unchanged.

Another little British peculiarity that makes no sense to anyone with common sense, but what did you expect?

Still in it's holder for you crystaltalk...

I'll be shipping this copper twopence off to you on monday. You know in 15 years of collecting i've never actually owned one of these. I guess i finally do own one now, albeit briefly, thursday-monday. Four days!

I hope you like it... (okay i should have shrunk these!)

(I even like the chocolate tone, but i have a soft spot for George III copper cos my first coin was a George III penny).

I don't like that Indian incuse design, so the Liberty it was for me.

Me neither. You know i thought i merely didn't care for the design but when i met one of those incuse Indians in person i was even more underwhelmed. They are a monstrous design. If they had been struck in relief i probably would feel alot happier about the design overall.

By those definitions, I am a generalist with a lot of hoarder thrown in.

You know feel free to modify the definitions a little, no need to stick rigidly to them.

Even add 'other' if you like.

I'll enter these on here Art rather than as arranged earlier.

Edward the Elder (899-924) Silver 'Two Line' Type Penny

Obv; EADWEARD REX

Rev; BONVS HOMOMO (Good Man) [who was the moneyer]

Omnicoin link;

Edward the Elder

Henry II (1154-1189) Silver Short Cross Penny, minted 1180-1189

Obv; HENRICVS REX

Rev; GOLCELM ON WINC (Gocelm of Winchester)

Omnicoin link;

Henry II

Cnut (1016-1035) Silver Short Cross Penny

Obv; CNUT REX

Rev; BRUNSTAN ÐEOD (Brunstan of Thetford)

Omnicoin link;

Canute

Æthelstan (924-939) Silver 'Two Line' Type Penny.

Obv; ÆÐELSTAN REX

Rev; ASULF NEN (Asulf) [the moneyer of this issue]

Omnicoin link;

Æthelstan

Truly wonderful coins!

Which of the following most closely resembles your collecting style;

Generalist

You take a pretty general approach to collecting because you strive for diversity; different looks, different grades, different sizes, different shapes, different countries, different metals and anything that is differently different in a very different way. Your knowledge is limited depthwise but is very broad and across the numismatic playing field.

Specialist

You find yourself drawn to one series particularly more than anything else and you're quite happy to consider nothing beyond your narrow little focused area/s. You love nothing more than studying the many varieties available of say just one date of coin, you even know where all the stops should be and how far apart they should be to one hundredth of an inch. Your knowledge is somewhat limited numismatically on the broader playing field but when it comes to your specialised area you know it like the back of you hand.

Hoarder

If it's a coin, it's in.

The Dollar, and how!

Incuse coins are just wrong.

$20 liberty being my favourite US coin design of all time, much better than that St. Gaudens rubbish that replaced it.

Thus you know where my vote went.

I think that modern US coins are the coins with the presidents on them. In 1909, when Lincoln took over the penny, it led the way for more coins to switch from the, then modern, to the now modern.

That's another school of though i like. Do you include Benjamin Franklin in modern or not? Personally i would.

William IV onwards, so around 1840ish.  I'd consider uber-modern as George VI onwards.

Bang there's another different date. Beginning of William IV (1831 issue) or end of (1837 issue)?

Liz II must be post-modern.

My own personal preference is following;

US coins - 1934 (first year without gold) Although i accept the case for 1950.

UK coins - 1816 (for milled), 1500 (for hammered).

France - End of Louis XVI in 1792.

Germany - debatable but i'd say 1948.

Alot of collectors that say 1950. Which is not too unrealistic considering that archaeologists and people in forensic sciences, particularly the field of radio carbon dating consider 1950 as 'Modern', hence why objects when radio carbon dated are dated going back with 1950 as the baseline. Not unfeesible to say that 1950 is therefore the beginning of all that is modern.

Although some US collectors might say 1964 is when coinage turned modern.

Some have argued 1933 (the year the US went off of the gold standard as the first shift towards a modern currency, modern meaning a fiat currency).

German collectors might argue modern as being 1948.

The date invariably differs from place to place and from denomination to denomination.* I did say on a different forum that modern could arguably be the year 1500, since this is the year that most historians in Europe consider to be the change from medieval Europe to Early Modern Europe, Early maybe but modern none the less.

*The denomination argument.

Take British coins for this example;

Copper collectors will argue that modern coinage begins in either 1797 (steam presses) or 1860 (the switch to bronze).

Bronze collectors might argue for 1900 (more properly 1901 as this is the first year of the 20th century), 1902 (Edward VII starts) or 1936 (End of George V).

Silver collectors might argue 1901, 1902, 1920 (silver reduced from .925 to .500) or 1946 (base metals)

Gold Collectors might argue 1901, 1917 (end of London mint gold coins, except for the one off 1925 issue) or 1932 (end of gold standard).

Others might argue it to be 1662 (the beginning of modern milled coinage and the end of hammered), 1816 (the new milled coins from steam driven presses). 1968 (the first decimal coins) or even 1971 (full scale decimalisation).

All those dates come from just one country, and many of you are familiar with all the alternatives from the US that collectors will regard as modern or not.

Quite a fluid term me thinks.

I have a bank of england £10 note with the queens head printed on both sides.

I got three consecutive number new notes from a ATM and this was the middle note, the other two where normal.

Is this rare as i've never heard or seen a misprinted note before, the note is now approx 15 years old.

Any clues anybody?

Can you post a picture of the note?

15 years hey? It must be a Florence Nightingale note since the Dickens ones weren't introduced until about 1993.

And if the timer packs in before you get to March? REFUND!

This is a debate that started on another forum but due to the complex nature i thought it might be useful and intriguing to bring it up on this forum too.

What date do you consider to be the cut-off point between old and modern coins?

Very high numbers of these new coins were being minted due to the fact that the old large coins were going to be withdrawn in the summer of 1993 and thus new dies had to be prepared to take over from those currently in use when they became life expired. Based on dies used on the later ten pence issues of 1994-7 it is most likely that the following issues were minted towards the very end of 1992 and since the 1993 dated coins were only issued in collector's sets, it is concievable that the latest 1992 issues were being minted well into 1993.

The Type 3 Percentage of mintage = c. 20% (c. 258,348,634 pieces)

Obverse; I, L and A in Elizabeth point at dots.

Reverse; The 1 in 10 on the reverse points between dots.

Edge; Flat type.

This issue is also the type that is present in the mint and proof sets of 1992.

The Type 4 Percentage of mintage = c. <1% (c. 12,000,000 pieces)

Obverse; I, L and A in Elizabeth point between dots.

Reverse; The 1 in 10 on the reverse points between dots.

Edge; Flat type.

This type is not available in either UNC or Proof sets.

The Type 5 Percentage of mintage = c. <1% (c. 8,000,000 pieces)

Obverse; I, L and A in Elizabeth point at dots.

Reverse; The 1 in 10 on the reverse points at dot.

Edge; Flat type.

This type is not available in either UNC or Proof sets.

On June 30 1993 the old large ten pence pieces and their pre-decimal equivalent the florin first issued in 1849 were all demonetised. The pre-decimal coinage became history once and for all and the new decimal coins and their varieties in true British style have gone relatively unnoticed and uncared for.

The fifty pence pieces were reduced in size in 1997.

During the early 1990s Great Britain underwent a period of currency changes. These currency changes on the surface appeared to have been intitated by nothing more than inflation. Indeed this was the case and the mint was keen to maximise its profits on three of the minor cupro-nickel coins in production, the five, ten and fifty pence coins.

The changes however were to produce two major things. Firstly a final break with the predecimal currency. Secondly a new coin with five different varities that the majority of the British collecting world care either little for or know next to nothing about.

In 1990 the first of these changes took place when the decimal five pence as introduced in 1968 was reduced in size considerably. In the winter of 1990 the old large five pence pieces and the same size/weight one shilling pieces issued from 1816-1966 that had been circulating as five pences (in theory) were demonetised.

The final break with the past though was yet to come as the large ten pence pieces from 1968 onwards and the old two shilling pieces issued from 1849-1967 were all still in active circulation.

Here's selection of coins that were all circulating as ten pence pieces during 1992.

In 1992 the second of the currency reforms came into force when the smaller ten pence piece was issued. Initially the Type 1 ten pence made its debut.

The Type 1 Percentage of mintage = c. 40% (c. 516,697,268 pieces)

Obverse; I, L and A in Elizabeth point between the dots.

Reverse; The 1 in 10 on the reverse points at a dot.

Edge; Wire type.

The wire edge is the coin pictured on the right below, (the edges are curved in to make the point with the milling on rather narrow when compared to the flat edge variant next to it).

This type is not available in either UNC or Proof sets.

Type 1 were the earliest coins produced and are esily identifiable by the fact that their edge is curved, the five pence coins from 1990-1992 are also minted with this type of edge. During 1992 however it must have been decided that this type of edge was unsatisfactory and thus a new type of flat edge was introduced to both the ten pence and the five pence coins.

The Type 2 Percentage of mintage = c. 40% (c. 516,697,268 pieces)

Obverse; I, L and A in Elizabeth point between the dots.

Reverse; The 1 in 10 on the reverse points at a dot.

Edge; Flat type.

This type is not available in either UNC or Proof sets.

Why not have a picture of the actual person on the note? No copyright issues there. Unless of course the person doesn't want their likeness known to the whole community.

That's just as good. Suddenly i'm very thankful i'm not on a note! (Cameras *shudder*)

Hm, ok. But we still get to use our own notes for the 2005 Short Snorters right?

You'll have to ask Art about that, i was only called upon to design the notes after he saw my entry for the CP Dollars. I have no say when it comes to running the short snorter itself.

Please sign me up for a set.

 

I believe Art has my snail-mail addy.

 

Jay

I had thought about printing off a few sets prior to the Short Snorter to anyone who was interested, but i didn't know if they'd be enough demand.* (i've yet to actually see these on paper!)

(I've also got some other notes denominated in guineas too that will be appearing shortly).

*But doing that would complicate matters, different mintmark or not.

Have you ever tried using silica jell for extra protection?  It takes the moisture out of the air and you should be able to get packets at your local supermarket.

I haven't seen any but i think i know a place i'll be able to get them from. I've been thinking about it for a while.

Although a date is yet to be officially released for Short Snorter 2005, and this date will be after the present series of Short Snorters (the 2004 run) is completed. Art and i thought it'd be a nice idea to announce that the 2005 Short Snorter run will involve something new this year, something special, something that represented coinpeople and the fact that it is a world community. Therefore we decided to design some official Coinpeople snorters.

And here they are... (starting at the bottom) [please forgive the blurring of JPEG once again but my computer won't do it any other way other than JPEG or BMP). The notes are double sided (and will all have different numbers) [hence why the reverse is upside down on here, we fold them and glue them together).

The notes are of a light color with minimal designs because they have to be signing friendly.

1 Snort

5 Snorts

10 Snorts

20 Snorts

50 Snorts

100 Snorts

Art will be printing these off as and when and releasing them when Short Snorter 2005 kicks off.

I started 1959

Same year as GD if i recall correctly!