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Yes but if you had just bowed & said "please your majesty" your nation would include the lands now called Canada

Wow 2 great posts Clive your info on the workings of the mint was tremendous & I had missed the original post you included in the last one & the brooches fabulous.

This one is holed & has been over-cleaned but has great detail. Interestingly(to me at least) the edge on this one is straight engrailed, whereas the lower one is diagonally engrailed. Also the holed medal is on a slightly smaller(24mm versus 25mm) & thinner planchet than other example.

I have mused if you American Colonists had not been so revolutionary minded & had stayed loyal to the Crown(like Australia, Canada & New Zealand) whether the slavery problem could have been solved, without violence, whilst still under British rule & law, before you attained your independence, thus sparing you the horrors of both the Revolutionary War & your Civil War. It seems to me that you won your independence before you were a fully united country, the North/South split coming back to haunt you later. Australia, Canada & New Zealand are all now fully independent countries, still by their choice within the Commonwealth, without having to go to war with Britain & perhaps because their sense of nationhood had matured & developed gradually, while under British rule, they all avoided major internal strife when they became independent.

Brown himself does not give numbers, but we know that only 10 of BHM#4450 1953 Coronation of Queen Elizabeth II 57mm in gold were struck & he only gives that a rarity of RRR. So most people assume under 10 for RRRR. Now we should not necessarily extrapolate that one instance for all the listed medals in BHM, but it is one example where we do have the actual number struck to compare to his rarity rating. We should expect that with medals over 200 years old there could be quite a few lost in attics, old desks etc so there is always the possibility that some more might turn up. Brown: "No attempt has been made to relate numbers struck with the degree of rarity unless this is definitely known. Generallly speaking this is not available and the rarity has been computed from the quantity that the author has seen during the 29 years that the catalogue took to compile. In addition, some 35 years experience in handling commemorative medals has been drawn upon, a record having been kept of the examples that have been seen" A couple of years ago a seller on eBay listed as a buy it now "Princess Charlotte 1/10 Decem" he was selling them one at a time(at a really low price), he had 10 available, he had found the box of ten in a house clearance & wrongly assumed they were "a dime a dozen". So if it had been listed in BHM(It is not) & previously rated RRRR. the discovery would in effect have altered that to RRR. So you can see we need a certain amount of caution when dealing with older medals.

BHM#995; Obv. Similar to No. 994. Laureate head of George III, right. GOD PROTECTS THE JUST Rev. Name of Jehovah in Hebrew above rays shining down on Imperial crown. FEAR GOD HONOUR THE KING Br. 25 by T. Kettle. RRRR. Highest rarity in BHM, in an unusually nice condition. Below is a previously posted medal, which uses the reverse of the above medal for its obverse. George III Death Medal 1820. Obv. Name of Jehovah in Hebrew above rays shining down on Imperial crown.FEAR GOD, HONOUR THE KING. Rev. THE LORD'S PRAYER. BHM# 996 RRRR. (Highest rarity in BHM) Br. 25mm by Kettle.

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Thank you hiho & Clive, it is always very nice to receive compliments

I found a conflicting date re the royal charter in 'The King's artists: the Royal Academy of Arts and the politics of British Culture, 1760-1840' by Holger Hoock 2005, Page 103 footnote 107 "The Liverpool Academy from c.1820 was the exception among provincial academies in being closely related to an institution with a royal charter, the Liverpool Royal Institution(charter 1817). Cf. Omerod, Liverpool Royal Institution" Seeing as this date(1817) for the granting of the charter has a reference (the previous date 1821 I posted was from Wikipedia) I lean towards 1817. It is still possible that the Prince regent had allowed them to use 'Royal' from the opening in November 1817 but he did not actually grant a royal charter until after he became king. Seeing that they would need a prize medal soon after the opening in 1817 I think we would be safe in using that date for the medal. The royal charter was only required to grant degrees, so perhaps could have been granted up to 4 years later. Curiously Forrer attributes the Liverpool Royal Institution; Prize medal 1814; Rev. Wreath; signed P.WYON S.C. to Peter Wyon. Maybe he misread the T for P? because Forrer also attributes, Liverpool Royal Institution, founded 1814 to Thomas Wyon senior, signed T.Wyon! Christopher Eimer attributes it to Thomas Wyon Jr., if he is correct it must be 1817(the year he died), seems unlikely to be him though as he signed T. Wyon Jun. I assume you know that it is the Liver bird on the helmet.

Hi Lisa & welcome. It is a prize medal, it is a coincidence that the Liverpool Royal Institution was established in 1814 the same year as Napoleon's first defeat & exile to Elba. It did not in fact open that year & the formal opening only took place 25 November 1817. The "Royal" was not officially added till 1821 when a royal charter was granted, this prize medal by T. Wyon was engraved later than 1814 but dated 1814 for the establishment. The medal was awarded to students of science & the literature and arts programmes. The same design & date was used over many years, albeit with slight changes as new dies had to be made as the old dies became worn. Yours is the early type Davis & Waters 337 (crest on helmet) They are made in silver, bronze & white metal. This site has 3 of these medals, scroll just over halfway down http://www.simmonsgallery.co.uk/2001site/m...cal-medals4.htm The Liverpool Royal Institution was formally dissolved in 1948.

This variety of the medal pictured below has the date of JUNE 4, instead of 7 & is missing the stop after JUNE. It is only listed In BHM Vol. 3., in the corrections & additions for Vol 1 & 2 & therefore no rarity is given, as Brown had never seen one, Brown explains he has been informed of the WM variant example, which was in a private collection, it was pierced & suspended from a red ribbon, the ribbon possibly not contemporary. So obviously this is an extremely rare find as the more common one, dated 7 is listed as R. for rare, this should probably be RRRR. The condition is a nice bonus. June the 4th was when the Lords passed the act, the 7th when it received the Royal assent & passed into law. Brown does not mention the missing foliage on the reverse. Obv. GREY RUSSEL & BROUGHAM THE FRIENDS OF THE PEOPLE. Rev. THE GREAT/REFORM BILL/ THE BULWARK OF/ FREEDOM/ PASSED INTO A/ LAW JUNE.7/ 1832. Brass 25mm. Rare. BHM#1616

Very nice presentation of a beautiful coin Clive.

This is my second example of this very rare 1814 jeton, though it is holed & dirty, it is still in a very nice condition. Obv: FRANZ. I. KAISER VON. OESTERRICH Rev: NEUE EHRE NEUES GLUCK. (New Hope New Luck). Exe: IETTON. Brass 24mm. This was my first one for comparison.

Obv: Cornucopia and olive branch, 1801 below, above THE DESIRE OF THE PEOPLE Rev: Dove of peace flying left dividing PEACE / AND GOOD WILL / TO ALL MEN BHM #522 - 1801 17mm by Kettle, only listed in brass C. unlisted in bronze, or silvered bronze which this example is, which makes it a somewhat rarer.

Obv. Bust of Turner Left. NAT : 1775 OB : 1851 under bust D. MACLISE R.A. DES. / L.C. WYON FEC. Rev. 3 Celestial maidens, with flowing locks & dressed in classical garb, gaze wistfully at the young artist(Turner) from the heavens, whilst he paints a scene of a lake, mountains in the distance & a town by its edge. Behind the mountains the Earth is depicted with a man crawling behind a horse & holding it's rein, behind them is the Sun with rays. Very high relief medal BHM#2416 55mm AV, RRR. AE N. Brown uses AE for both bronze & copper, this is most definitely copper! I think that this is a truly great medal by L. C. Wyon. There is lots of info about Turner online, as are many of his paintings, he was one of the world's greatest painters & he blazed a path, regarding light & the ephemeral, which still echos today. 2005, Turner's "The Fighting Temeraire" was voted Britain's "greatest painting" in a public poll organised by the BBC. April 2006, Christie's New York auctioned "Giudecca, La Donna Della Salute" and "San Giorgio", a view of Venice exhibited at the Royal Academy in 1841, for US$35.8 million, setting a new record for a Turner at that time July 7, 2010, Turner's final painting of Rome, “Modern Rome — Campo Vaccino”, from 1839, was bought by the J. Paul Getty Museum at a Sotheby’s auction in London for $44.9 million.

LINK to "Popular Illustrated Guide to Canadian Coins, Medals &. &." by P. N. Breton online. Thanks for the extra info, as you can see I found P. N. Breton's book online, could have saved you those hours of looking for the actual book, if only we had known. Nice to have meet you, if only in cyberspace

Obv. THE INAUGURATION OF THE CHATEAU DE RAMEZAY|LIBRARY & MUSEUM|9TH OF APRIL 1896. Rev. CHATEAU DE RAMEZAY|BUILT IN 1704|MONTREAL Pewter 34mm by C. Tison The Château Ramezay is a museum and historic building on Notre-Dame Street in Old Montreal, opposite Montreal City Hall. Build in 1705 as the residence of then-governor of Montreal, Claude de Ramezay, the Château was the first building proclaimed as an historical monument in Quebec and is the province’s oldest private history museum. It has had many uses, prior to become the museum & library in 1896, it had been a school. Joseph LeRoux 1849-1904, the famous canadian numismatist, studied for 8 years in the building, then known as the Jacques-Cartier Normal School 1857-1882. The reference work for Canadian medals is "The Canadian Coin Cabinet" by the above mentioned Joseph LeRoux & covers the period of 1492-1892(published 1892) & as you can see the obverse is dated 1896 which is just outside of that date range. All is not lost. because the reverse was used previously as the obverse of LeRoux#1517a the reverse of that medal being EXHIBITION SOUVENIR MONTREAL 1891/ P.N. BRETON NUMISMATIST, MONTREAL rarity 4. I have found no other info on this medal, I think this medal would be rated as very rare, yours is the only other one I have seen. I have posted quite a few Canadian medals here on CoinPeople in both Exonumia & the Canadian Coin forum, in fact I have another one to post when I have some time. Hope this is of some help to you. Welcome to the forum

Obv. THE INAUGURATION OF THE CHATEAU DE RAMEZAY|LIBRARY & MUSEUM|9TH OF APRIL 1896. Rev. CHATEAU DE RAMEZAY|BUILT IN 1704|MONTREAL Pewter 34mm by C. Tison The Château Ramezay is a museum and historic building on Notre-Dame Street in Old Montreal, opposite Montreal City Hall. Build in 1705 as the residence of then-governor of Montreal, Claude de Ramezay, the Château was the first building proclaimed as an historical monument in Quebec and is the province’s oldest private history museum. It has had many uses, prior to become the museum & library in 1896, it had been a school. Joseph LeRoux 1849-1904, the famous canadian numismatist, studied for 8 years in the building, then known as the Jacques-Cartier Normal School 1857-1882. The reference work for Canadian medals is "The Canadian Coin Cabinet" by the above mentioned Joseph LeRoux & covers the period of 1492-1892(published 1892) & as you can see the obverse is dated 1896 which is just outside of that date range. All is not lost. because the reverse was used previously as the obverse of LeRoux#1517a the reverse of that medal being EXHIBITION SOUVENIR MONTREAL 1891/ P.N. BRETON NUMISMATIST, MONTREAL rarity 4. I have found no other info on this medal, I think this medal would be rated as very rare, yours is the only other one I have seen. I have posted quite a few Canadian medals here on CoinPeople in both Exonumia & the Canadian Coin forum, in fact I have another one to post when I have some time. Hope this is of some help to you. Welcome to the forum

Thanks for sharing burda-graph. The movie is called 'Knights of the Teutonic Order' here & probably in the USA & UK too.

The 'Integer'(latin: whole/complete) was the basic unit of currency for his metric system. 1 'Decem' = 1 tenth of an Integer, the smallest token 1/10 of an Integer = a Decem. An early example of decimalization in England. Thomas Wright Hill was very interested in Maths & Language & wrote extensively, he became a much respected academic & was invited to give lectures to fellow academics. Quite an achievement for someone of humble origin, in a very class conscious 19th century England. Some of his writings are online and cover, amongst other things, his early form of shorthand.

Obv: H.R.H.THE PRINCESS CHARLOTTE / BORN JAN.17.1796.DIED NOV.6.1817 small H below bust. Rev: 5 INTEGERS on central shield surrounded by scroll-work pattern. If you look above 'INTEGERS' you can see the inscription has been reworked. Brass 33mm by Thomas Wright Hill. Undated but circa 1818 by my reckoning. Thomas Wright Hill started his working life as a brassfounder but later(perhaps because of his large family & the cost of schooling) he purchased a school in 1802 & became a teacher/headmaster & taught his own children there, as well as others of course. His sons, one of whom Rowland Hill went on to lasting fame for his invention of the postage stamp, later assisted him in his schools. Obviously his previous experience as a brassfounder assisted him when he decided to issue his own school tokens. As to why I date this as circa 1818, well 1817 is the earliest date possible and in 1819 the school was moved to a new purpose-built school designed by his son Rowland in Hazelbrook, called Hazelwood on Hagley Road in Edgbaston, where they issued new tokens for that school(earliest date for that school's token, that I can find, 1821), hence no more Charlotte. The much more common token which you usually see is the 'PRINCESS CHARLOTTE 1/10TH or ONE DECEM', which I have 2 of, this much larger token is quite rare. If you care to google Thomas Wright Hill & his son Roland there is a lot of info available online, not so for these tokens.

Great medals guys, good to see there is one active thread in exonumia.

De Vrede van Nijmegen in penningen = The Treaty of Nijmegen in tokens http://www.noviomagus.nl/Gastredactie/VDZe...egen%201687.pdf takes a minute to load, but worth the wait. Your token is shown page 12/59 or actual page # on page 456. NYM10a Rekenpenning “Vredesonderhandelingen te Nijmegen”, 1677 Brons, Ø 27 mm. Vz.: vredesduif met olijftak vliegt over water en bergen. QVIESCAM ET QVIESCERE FACIAM (ik zal rusten en laten rusten) Kz.: balans in evenwicht met geld en gewicht, een smeltoven en een muntgewichtkast. Onderaan 8 of 15 stenen. RESPONDENTINTIMA QUANTO (ze geven precies aan hoeveel) Lit.: Dugniolle nr. 4384, vOrden 1357 27.0 mm, 4,70 g. Neumann 31810. balans in evenwicht met geld en gewicht, een smeltoven en een muntgewichtkast. Onderaan 8 of 15 stenen = balance with money and weight, a melting furnace and a currency weight Cabinet. At the bottom of 8 or 15 stones ze geven precies aan hoeveel= They show exactly how many

The wear & colouration give the impression that the city is on fire! Very nice, I love city views & architecture too, the older the better.

Nice touch to enclose the bells with a circle of musical notation.