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Thank you very much, Rarenum I sent you a pm. Sigi .

Hi, does anybody have already the prices realized listing? And would announce what #309 and #335 fetched? Thank you Sigi

Indeed Eugene, I had never compared the eagles to this point.. From 1763 on С.ПМ used different eagles for the pyataky and only in 1788 they took out the nice 1757 novodel dies for the pyataky again. Or maybe was the 1757 novodel die used for pyataky all the time at С.ПМ along with other dies? I must look into my archives. Great information again, thank you! Sigi .

I did find this eagle only on various novodels dated 1757. Sigi .

This beauty will be auctioned by Künker in Berlin - see sixbid. Though looking like a business strike, it is a very early novodel, from only few years later than dated. Too bad I cannot afford it.... Sigi

Better late than never - a very happy NEW YEAR to you, too. And of course to all the other co-addicts Sigi .

Thank you Eugene for the convincing answer. Sigi .

Again, I am very impressed about your job - thank you, Eugene, for the English version for people like me, not understanding much Russian. As to the 1758 copper 5 Kopeks (EM) and (CM) I have this question left:- Andrey (kaostram) explained the difference as the orb/scroll relation (cited at the beginning of this thread). There is also the eagle's right wing and the introverted "5" of 1758. One of my 1759 coins also shows an introverted "5" and as far as we know there were no (CM) in 1759. My concern is: What makes you believe that my 5 kopeks 1758 with the "bit out" wing is also (CM) mint? Is it the "5" alone? Thank you again, Sigi

Not all fake coins get slabbed. Sigi .

Hello Eugene, thank you very much for honoring me. I will have to read your article once or twice more to fully understand it. Great job! Many of us are just collectors but you have got the inquiring mind of a true numismatist! Sigi .

The first piece beny showed was also from seller Dr Satan. Maybe beny and Dr Satan are one and the same? Sigi .

Good luck and -- be careful. Sigi .

Eugene, thank you very much for sharing!! This is very exciting. Sigi .

Thank you very much Eugene - very interesting indeed - an eagle hunter's delight. . Sigi .

Very battered edge

In my opinion the middle coin is different from both at the sides. Compare the dragon's nose and the dragon's tail below and above the horse tail. For 1757 Yusupov lists 4 variants value above and 5 variants value below, all edge XXXXXXXXX. A total of 9, but only 3 with picture. There are probably more minute variants (Yusupov does not list all variants as I can tell from my 5kopek collecting). So I think comparison leads to nowhere. If there is not the slightest trace of the value incription there just isn't any Who knows if this is not a trial piece? Sigi

Yes indeed, and everything is in fact transitional As to BKB's question:- In 1778 they were no longer happy with the eagle design which had served for 10 years. Several short lived eagle changes (now called "transitional eagle"- переходный орел) occurred until in 1779 a final design was adopted which again was good for nearly 10 years to come. Tansitional eagles are seen on both years. I got some in my collection (see link). Sigi .

In 1768 there were two eagle types. About 1/2 of the 5kop. still bore the early eagle (1763 to 1767 type) and the other half already bore the new eagle (1769 to 1778 type). My latest acquisition shows a combination of the two. The left wing is of the new skinny type, the right wing is still of the old fat type. Sigi

Slab is real as can be verified at the slabbers' site. For the slab collector it is the slab that matters. Sigi .

Another slabbed fake. Sigi -

Struck over a taler of Silesia... Cleaned. The first rubles (1704 and 1705) were struck over other coins of the taler type. Normally it is impossible to distinguish details of the host coin. Identification of the host coin makes this piece extremely rare. Sigi .

He'd got women - he'd got women - on his mind..... http://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=1640&category=34228&lot=1473082 .

Your coin is new, you can see that. The coins extant4cell shows you are old, you can see that, too. 220 years ago the minting technique was not as advanced as today. Compare your coin to the pictures and you will get the feeling Sigi .

It is not radical, does not harm the metal but removes anything else. Including the small impurities included in the surface. Sigi .

Hi Eugene. Thank you again. I experimented with EDTA awhile ago. It first takes the patina away and then all the oxidation. It leaves a piggy pink surface all over. As EDTA takes all the impurities away, the surface appears rough and pourous but unfortunately not evenly: The formerly dark and oxidated areas show even rougher. As a result light is reflected differently there and those areas do always stick out from the rest of the coin. Even if you get the coin brown again - the rougher portions will always contrast annoyingly. Maybe wax could be of help but I did not try that, the coins in question are no longer with me. Sigi .