Hussulo Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Hi everyone, Im a new member who collects mostly British coins, however I have got this Russian coin or medal? which I cannot identify in Krause or anywhere else can any experts please help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 It is supposed to be a prototype Pavel I ruble (1796-1801), but that is a sad "copy". Genuine ones would be worth at least 5-6 figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hussulo Posted April 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Thanx qxserries, But what gives it away as a copy? its just I havn't seen any others, and do you have any links for pictures of the original? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 If one is well versed in his Russian numismatics, there is no such Pavel I trial design in copper. As well as, the design of the 4 "II" that arounds the letter "I" seem to be ridiciously crude. The crowns around them are too simplified, and hence my answer as a copy. It is too unlikely that you have found a coin that is worth at least 10,000+++USD don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hussulo Posted April 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Yeh, your probably right I haven't got the kind of luck to find a coin worth $10000+, I have got some nice British coins but non in that league! I am a relative novice, as I have only been collecting for just over a year now. P.S. if anyone else has any comments on this coin please post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 This is a modern fake of a now extremely rare coin (noted as "VERY RARE" by the Grand Duke in his corpus of Russian coins which was written in the late 1800s). Here is what the real thing looks like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hussulo Posted April 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Thank you grivna1726, Your right the quality is know where near as good! The origtinal is a superb looking coin. The busts are similar, but the forgers where quite a bit off with the reverse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 Thank you grivna1726,Your right the quality is know where near as good! The origtinal is a superb looking coin. The busts are similar, but the forgers where quite a bit off with the reverse! You're welcome. When you know what the real thing looks like, it's obvious that the coin you posted is a fake. I might add that the real coin is struck in silver, not copper. A real one would probably bring far more than $10,000. Here's a link to a picture of a novodel (restrike) of the coin. I was unable to find a photo of an original on the net. I'm not sure whether this restrike was made from new or original dies. http://www.numismat.ru/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi...=1796&number=11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hussulo Posted April 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 That is a beautifull coin. I do love some of the russian coins and can see why you guys collect them. I would love to start collecting Russian, but I think if I diversify my collection to much I will end up with less coins of the same contry becouse of my limited budget. So im going to carry on with my early milled British collection. I will however buy any other coin from any country I come across if the coin is really nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grivna1726 Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 That is a beautifull coin. I do love some of the russian coins and can see why you guys collect them. I would love to start collecting Russian, but I think if I diversify my collection to much I will end up with less coins of the same contry becouse of my limited budget. So im going to carry on with my early milled British collection. I will however buy any other coin from any country I come across if the coin is really nice. That is a sensible approach. If you spread yourself too thin, you end up with a mishmash of coins rather than a coherent collection. Unless you have a lot of money, it's better to concentrate on a specialized area of collecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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