Menelaos Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Dear all, First of all, since I am new to this forum: Hi to all of you!! I have been following this forum for a while, and I am pretty impressed by the shared knowledge on these pages. As a new member I hope you guys could help me out with this one, a piece I bought on a flea market in Tbilisi, Georgia, some years ago. As you can see on the pictures included, it concerns what appears to be a ruble of Peter I from the 1704 issue. If only it wasn't minted in copper... My knowledge on Russian coins is limited, and I don't have a Bitkin catalogue to check, but aren't these rubles supposed to be in silver only? The legends say clearly that it is a ruble though... Can this be a trial piece or pattern coin? There seem to be traces of a double struck on the front side. A forgery seems improbable to me, given the copper... Other detail I need to mention is probably that the edge is very smooth. But perhaps this applies for all genuine 1704 rubles? Diameter is 43 mm. Weight unknown. Hope you can help me this one! Thanks in advance!! Greetings from Belgium!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE MOULDING Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Hope you didn't pay a lot! It's a copy..not very good. Can't tell when it was made. Cheers, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Hi and welcome! The "coin" that you displayed is indeed a copy coin made by fake copy dies. All details are differ from original. What is interesting, the dies had a crack and also clashed at some point, to produce the clashed-dies images. The imitation "coin" looks reasonably old. Possibly late 1970s - early 1980s. There was a mad man in Leningrad (Petersburg) in Russia who used to make fake dies and copies like this one, who lived around that time. I have a copy of Moscow type of Peter's rouble in my collection of his produce, and did some digging on it at some point. He didn't produce a lot with each pair of dies (way under 100 strikes), and always in base metal (copper or bronze), so there is no mistaking his production for a real coin, and so he could not be accused as counterfeiter. If you bought it, keep it as a curious fake artifact. It's made to look somewhat as this coin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extant4cell Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Here is that imitation coin dated 1707, that I was talking about: I know 3 copies of this "coin". One is as clear as this one, and another one - a copy made from one of the imitation coins with melted metal (cast copy of an imitation) - mad!!! It is possible that your imitation was made by the same "master". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RARENUM Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Hello Minelaos, Sorry,your coin is not not genuine,cast copy. Welcome to the forum,Rarenum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menelaos Posted February 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 Hi guys, Thanks a lot for your advice!! It's not too much of a disappointment, especially since I probablypaid only a few dollars for it. And I like that story of the Leningrad mad man, and how this coin may be his work. See you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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