aurora Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Hi friends. What is possible to say about this one? Is it original period item ? Opinions are interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Hi from the edge mark (cornucopia) it was minted AFTER 1880. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aurora Posted January 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Hi from the edge mark (cornucopia) it was minted AFTER 1880. Thanks for reply. To my mind it was minted no later then 1880 because between 1845-80 bronze medals were stamped "CUIVRE". In any way what will be optimal cost for such items? Is it historical material or only souvenirs ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Thanks for reply. To my mind it was minted no later then 1880 because between 1845-80 bronze medals were stamped "CUIVRE". In any way what will be optimal cost for such items? Is it historical material or only souvenirs ? It is a re-strike of the original, minted by the Paris mint for collectors. There are a couple of corrosion spots (verdigris marks) on the reverse and a fingerprint on both obverse and reverse otherwise it is in collectable condition. I've seen these re-strikes sell for anything from 20 - 60 euro...However, you might be lucky and get more but given the presence of verdigris, I wouldn't hold my breath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aurora Posted January 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Thank you Ian. I'm the beginner collector. If it possible, give me the way please, on the best links to buy the material. The early napoleonic medals are interesting to me. And what do you think about this one ? There are no any marks on the edge...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Nice medal, but i have no expertise in relation to that particular subject matter. As a beginner collector of Napoleonic medals / exonumia you would benefit from a visit to this site to gain insight as to the `scope' involved: http://www.napoleonicmedals.org In terms of what /where to buy...the golden rule in collecting coins /medals /jetons is `buy the book before you buy the coin'. Knowledge is king and the more you research your chosen subject area, the better prepared you will be to spot a bargain when the opportunity presents. \other than that...keep your eyes peeled on ebay and try searching using various different relevant words within coins/ medals. happy hunting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constanius Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 The symbol(poincon) on the first medal is a pointing hand, used from 12 June 1845 to 1860 http://fortiter.napoleonicmedals.org/miscellany/poincons.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Hi.....perhaps my eyesight is failing, but to me that definitely looks like the typical cornucopia mint mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
constanius Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Hi Ian, Happy New Year, this is one of my medals with the pointing hand pictured with the above medal. It is difficult to be 100% sure with the posted image, it could be either but to me it is the earlier mark, aurora should be able to tell with his medal in hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Hi,and a happy New Year to you. Your one is clearly the `main indicatrice' edge mark. No arguements there....and indeed quite likely to match that of the original. The image on the original is not particularly clear and i've seen so many `corne d'abondance' marks that look so similar to it that it registered with me as that mark. Here's a close up of a strong example of the cornucopia `poincon' http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:Diff%C3%A9rent_numismatique_corne_abondance.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aurora Posted January 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Thanks friends for this discussion. But it seems to me that constantius is rights here. Paris Mint in 1843 till 1880 , bronze medals were stamped CUIVRE on the edge. In 1880, BRONZE was substituted for CUIVRE. The mark "pointing hand"-used from 1845 to 1860. The mark "cornucopia"-used from 1880. Respectively combination of CORNUCOPIA and CUIVRE is not correct. Or am I wrong in this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Having a close look at the actual mark on the edge is the best way forward.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aurora Posted January 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 There are a couple of corrosion spots (verdigris marks) IAN, I would like to ask about this point.How much is dangerous to store this medal with other bronze medals in collection ? And is it possible to "cure" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 going by my schoolboy knowledge of chemistry, verdigris is caused by a chemical reaction between the copper and other elements in the environment. Verdigris is not in itself `contagious' as far as i am aware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 (can't help remarking --it takes some chutzpah, Monsieur l'Empereur Napoléon, to have a medal made commemorating your "entry" into Moscow, considering you only got to stay a night or two before the Russians burned it down just to spite you, and you and your army had to skedaddle back west, which was another not-so-glorious event. So really all you got was an "entry" into Moscow, right?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aurora Posted January 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 (can't help remarking --it takes some chutzpah, Monsieur l'Empereur Napoléon, to have a medal made commemorating your "entry" into Moscow, considering you only got to stay a night or two before the Russians burned it down just to spite you, and you and your army had to skedaddle back west, which was another not-so-glorious event. So really all you got was an "entry" into Moscow, right?) Production of this medal confirms that it was a big surprise for the Emperor when russians burned Moscow. I think he was very upset after this russian joke, but a sense of humor, he had not lost..Here is another interesting medal of this campaign. "THE FRENCH EAGLE ON THE VOLGA" the river, to which the army was never reached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aurora Posted January 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 going by my schoolboy knowledge of chemistry, verdigris is caused by a chemical reaction between the copper and other elements in the environment. Verdigris is not in itself `contagious' as far as i am aware. Thanks for the reply. the matter that I have read that verdigris on the ancient coin can destroy it very quickly and it will be dangerous for other bronze coins. But apparently it's a different case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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