sylabyss Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Hi guys new to forum. Was wondering what anyone thought about these coins ? I'm selling them online and i don't want to rip anyone off . Do You think they are authentic ? http://thriftdrop.com/DSCN6445.JPG http://thriftdrop.com/DSCN6446.JPG http://thriftdrop.com/DSCN6447.JPG http://thriftdrop.com/DSCN6448.JPG http://thriftdrop.com/DSCN6459.JPG http://thriftdrop.com/DSCN6460.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Welcome to coinpeople sylabss. They look ok to me, don't see them as possible fakes unlike 10 ruble coins where a lot of high quality counterfeits are noted. I would however wait for another opinion to see if they agree with mine. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sylabyss Posted May 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Just curious . Do early Russian gold coins have lots of defects ? (weak strikes, missing parts of letters or designs, Cracks in coins?) Just seems like the rest i have ,either have some sort of printing flaw or not clean strikes .Unlike American or British coins.? Heres another i have with weird defects on coin http://thriftdrop.com/DSCN6461.JPG http://thriftdrop.com/DSCN6462.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobh Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 You should weigh these coins and tell us what the weight is of each one. Also, pictures of the edge with mintmaster initials would be good. It's hard to say if the irregularities, mostly around the rims, are from weak striking or perhaps from mount repair. These coins were often used in jewelry, which is reason enough to look at the edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sylabyss Posted May 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 Ok here are the pics of the mint marks 1898 4.3 Grams http://thriftdrop.com/DSCN6473.JPG 1898 4.3 Grams http://thriftdrop.com/DSCN6474.JPG 1897 4.3 Grams http://thriftdrop.com/DSCN6476.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobh Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 Well, I am suspicious of the first coin ... if it is genuine, then it appears to have had some kind of mount repair or damage done to the edge at 10 o'clock on the obverse. The lettering appears generally somewhat mushy compared to genuine coins. This is especially strange considering that the hair is so detailed; usually the hair shows much more wear before the effects of circulation affect the legends. The other two aren't great specimens (scratched, planchet flaws, possibly cleaned), but I don't see anything to make me think they might be fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sylabyss Posted May 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 Do russian gold coins typically have lots of planchet flaws ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxseries Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 It's not planchet flaw but I'm sure it's more to do with bagmark. The coins are still worth at least their bullion value with an additional 5-10% premium. I don't keep track of the prices but I'm sure it's somewhere around there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altyn Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 It's not planchet flaw but I'm sure it's more to do with bagmark. The coins are still worth at least their bullion value with an additional 5-10% premium. I don't keep track of the prices but I'm sure it's somewhere around there. I wish I could find a coin for such a price! Most of them are sold for twice their bullion value (at ~ 100% premium). At least this is my impression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobh Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 It's not planchet flaw but I'm sure it's more to do with bagmark. The coins are still worth at least their bullion value with an additional 5-10% premium. I don't keep track of the prices but I'm sure it's somewhere around there. This one definitely has a planchet flaw at 9 o'clock (after rotation to a normal viewing angle, that is) or located next to the large scratch beginning at the digit "5": http://thriftdrop.com/DSCN6460.JPG Looks to me like lamination which broke away during (or right after) the strike. Could also be that there was some metal in the recessed area of the die around that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sylabyss Posted May 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 So you guys think they are correct ? Here are some others from the same lot http://thriftdrop.com/DSCN6453.JPG http://thriftdrop.com/DSCN6454.JPG http://thriftdrop.com/DSCN6455.JPG http://thriftdrop.com/DSCN6456.JPG http://thriftdrop.com/DSCN6457.JPG http://thriftdrop.com/DSCN6458.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobh Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 So you guys think they are correct ? Don't expect this kind of opinion from anyone here on this forum! While it is sometimes possible to spot a fake from images alone, it is never possible to guarantee authenticity without holding the coin in hand. As I said before, I think the first coin is suspect. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that all of them were fake. At any rate, nobody can say with 100% certainty -- if they are fake coins, then they were very cleverly done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sylabyss Posted May 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Ok i understand . This isn't a authentication/grading company .But i respect the opinion's of the people here and i was just trying to figure out what to do with them . If i placed them for sale i wanted to make sure they were ok, also since there not that valuable its not really worth to have them graded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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