schutzenfester

Though some people have stated in the past that they don't think this is a good looking medal, I have always been somewhat fascinated by it. I purchase when I can as long as the price is right.

Nice medal, would it be possible to post the obverse, I would be interested in seeing it?

On 4/1/2019 at 9:45 PM, thedeadpoint said:

Keep up the great posts, Rod. I feel like I have another purchase in the nearish future.

Ok, I may have a few for sale in the nearish future.

R840b Chur, Canton Graubünden
1900
AR
33mm 
Mintage: 360
Rarity: R 
Engraver: Franz Homberg, Bern

R1678b Morgarten, Canton Zug
1902
AR
45mm 
Mintage: 300
Rarity: R 
Engraver: Franz Homberg

R1874a Zürich, Jungschützentag
1936
BR 
40mm 
Mintage: 
Rarity: RR 
Engraver: Huguenin. Le Locle
Note: As the year has been engraved, various dates may exist. So far, the only date known is 1938.

     My medal is from a 1936 young shooter's match, the note above is from Richter's catalog.

R1722a Zürich, Erstes Freischiessen der Schützengesellschaft Wilhelm
Tell 1852 
AR 
48mm 
Mintage: 
Rarity: RRR 
Engraver: HH 
Note: The variety formerly listed in WM (lead) is a later copy.

I am inserting my picture used from a url on another forum because this site is not allowing me to insert anything but very small (kb) pictures directly from my PC. If anyone could explain, I would appreciate your input.

On 2/13/2019 at 10:22 PM, 49ermatt said:

 

Here is my 1836 Davos.  Unlike Rod, I only have this one, but I think it's a beauty.  PCGS SP65.

 

Very nice medal!  I believe some would prefer your one to my three.

20 hours ago, thedeadpoint said:

Very nice. Any reason you're posting all the Davos medals now?

I thought as long as I posted one, I might as well post the others since I have them. That way, forum members could see them together and compare etc. 

Note regarding R830 and R831 taken directly from the new Richter catalog:

"Notes: On the occasion of the federal festival in Davos, an honorary and free shooting took place on June 13 and 14,1836. Premiums were distributed for more than 1,000 Gulden (florin). In addition to rifles (Stutzer), cantonal coins (Dublone from Berne, Ducat from Zurich, Taler from Grisons etc.), medals were also awarded.

According to the official "list of winners" from the Grisons newspaper No. 47 of June 12th 1836, various medals were awarded in different value categories:
First prize is a gilt silver medal with a gold chain; furthermore a large gilt medal, then 2 medals in the value of 10 Gulden, 3 medals to 6.40 Gulden, 3 medals to 5 Gulden, 6 medals to 3 Gulden, 23 medals to 2 Gulden (in silvered bronze?) and 74 medals to 1.40 Gulden (in bronze?). In total 113 different medals.
It is extremely difficult to divide the medals awarded into the four reference numbers in this
catalog. Most likely, the last two price categories of 2 and 1.40 Gulden are the silvered bronze and bronze medals. The remaining 16 medals will then be distributed among the silver medals, whereby the two medals of 10 guilders are most likely the same as Ref. 830a."

1836 Davos, canton Graubunden
R831b / M446
Bundesfest
BR
42 mm
Engraver: Heinrich Bruppacher, Luzern

Rarity: R

1836 Davos, canton Graubunden
R831b / M446
Bundesfest
BR versilbert
42 mm
Engraver: Heinrich Bruppacher, Luzern

Rarity: RR

1836 Davos, canton Graubunden
R831b / M446
Bundesfest
AR
42 mm
Engraver: Heinrich Bruppacher, Luzern

Rarity: RRR

With filled-in/repaired hole at 12 o'clock

Here is a relatively rare medal I recently acquired.

1920 Beider Basel, canton Basel
R134a / M87
Cantonal Shoot
AR
30 mm
Engraver: Hans Frei, Basel

Rarity: RR

I noticed that 5 of your medals pictured are marked "Moore", quite a coincidence that your Uncle almost surely purchased those medals from me or my Dad. Small world... 

Hi and welcome to CoinPeople. 

I should be able to assist you with your questions but better pictures of your medals would be required. 

Thank you Tim for your recommendation. As Tim stated, Craig Keplinger is a very nice and honest dealer of Swiss coins and medals.  

I agree that the pin bar may be indeed brass. The stamping on the back of the medal itself only states "plated", there does not appear to be any other indicators. 

53 minutes ago, Steve D'Ippolito said:

If it is gold over silver, I wonder why it has blackened areas.  The pin bar (if that's what it's called), I would guess is actually brass.  The back of the medal itself, I am guessing, has had some of the plating rub off and the black there is silver tarnish. (I learned recently silver will tarnish even through a very thin layer of gold; thicker plating will block it.)

Brass or gold, it's a beautiful design and no doubt someone wore it proudly!

Certainly could be brass over silver but most medalists would gold plate over silver considering the base medal being silver. 

In my experience in another field of collecting, brass over silver is (almost) unheard of. The patina that is seen/present is not entirely uncommon for gilt. Although considering that this is a 40's era US shooting medal and also a US medalist, I honestly have no idea from historical data what the plating would be. Certainly the fact that it is . 925 is the significant feature not the plating, even if gold, it would not enhance the value to any degree. The gilt plating enhances the look. 

A medal from 1940, Military Rifle Veteran Association of New York.

Marked Sterling - Plated. The assumption being gold plated sterling silver.

From Wikipedia regarding the medal maker:

Dieges & Clust were jewellers established in New York^[1][2] in 1898 by Col. Charles J. Dieges (b. Oct. 26, 1865-d. Sept. 14, 1953) and Prosper Clust.^[1]

They produced many medals, including the Spanish–American War Medal, the 1904 Olympic Medal, the Eagle Scout medal (from 1916–1920),^[3] the Medal of Honour, and the Titanic-Carpathia Medals (at the request of "The Unsinkable" Mrs. Molly Brown). They made baseball's first Most Valuable Player Awards and many Baseball Press Pins as well as Lou Gehrig's farewell plaque. They also cast the Heisman Trophy (in New York and later Providence, Rhode Island) from its inception in 1935 through late 1979 when the company was sold to Herff Jones (a division of Carnation) on January 1, 1980.^[4]

Perhaps the height of Dieges & Clust's production were the 1920s trophies known in sports collecting circles as "The Five Figural Spalding Baseball Trophies". The various trophies depict a baseball player pitching, catching, batting, playing first base, or playing in the outfield. The proportions of the figures and the detail (of the faces, fingers, stitching in the baseball gloves and shoelaces) are remarkable .^{[citation needed]} They fetch up to $5,000 at auction, relatively high for a silver-plated trophy on a wooden base.^{[citation needed]}

A 1936 New York Yankees World Series ring cast by Dieges & Clust and owned by Lou Gehrig held the record sale price for such a ring at $17,500.^[5]

In 1999, Sotheby's sold what was believed to be Lou Gehrig's 1927 ring for $96,000.

Hello,

 I have started a Facebook Group called richtercatalog.  The reference/repository for all things related to the Richter catalog.

The address: https://www.facebook.com/groups/richtercatalog/   

You must have a Facebook account to join the Group. If you do not have a Facebook account, joining is very easy. 

This group will allow fellow schützenfest medal enthusiasts to keep track of new medals not in the Richter catalog, add pictures of them as well as comments. Group members will be able to add comments and pictures regarding possible omissions and errors. You will be able to comment on anything regarding the Richter Catalog and Schützenfest medals and awards in general.

 The Group page has "Documents" that coincide with each Richter catalog chapter so members will be able to add comments for the appropriate Document (Richter Chapter) so the added content can be somewhat organized and easy to reference.

 When you leave a comment, you can also post a picture but only 1 picture per comment. After you press enter, your comment will be posted in that specific "Document", if you have another picture you wanted to post all you need to do is reply to your just posted comment, insert the additional picture and then click enter on your keyboard again and it will be posted. 

For posts that you do not feel fall into a specific Richter Chapter, there will be a Document called Richter General, this is can be the catch-all for those posts.

 I will also have a "Document" specifically for anything related to Schützenfests in general called Schützenfest General.

Please go to my new Facebook Group called richtercatalog and request to join and then I will add you ASAP and you will be our newest member. The group is private so members will be the only people able to see posts. If you do not use the included link in this email, simply go to Facebook and then go to Groups and then search for richtercatalog (all 1 word). 

I hope that you join and that this Facebook Group can become an additional resource for schützenfest medal collectors and more specifically, a place where collectors can add and gain more knowledge in regards to the Richter Catalog.

Please understand that I absolutely have no problem with your post. Even if it is a paperweight, it is a beautiful piece of artwork. 

I my opinion, your post is fine and where else can you look for more information?  My statement was merely a question regarding the origin of the piece. Sorry to say however that I have no information to give you about your piece. 

 As sold on eBay it was stated to be a paperweight. At 120mm and considering the relief, do you think it is a paperweight or a numismatic medal?

Great, I glad you got one. Yes, it does have many new medals and many updated pictures. The English translation is key and is wonderful. 

On 7/2/2018 at 9:46 PM, thedeadpoint said:

The fallen figure of Distruction, trampled by the feet of Justice.

Jürg Richter's new Swiss schützenfest medal catalog is now available for $145.00 postpaid at Numiswiss.com. I apologize for not having them available myself but I made the decision not to mess with the worries of shipping safely etc. I assume it is available elsewhere but I am unsure of any specifics for other locations. 

The catalog is a must buy for anyone with interest in Swiss schützenfest medals.