Peter

I agree....she changed for the worse on larger silver in 1887 and all copper/bronze in 1895.

I think the first tanning salon opened in London during the latter part of 1886.

My lips are sealed.

Andy....I thought there was a pseudonym lurking....my suspicious mind.

May I be so bold to say Hi and enjoy the brief meeting with CP.2.1 ETC..I reckon.

May I be so bold to say Hi and enjoy the brief meeting with CP.2.1 ETC..I reckon.

May I be so bold to say Hi and enjoy the brief meeting with CP.2.1 ETC..I reckon.

I agree fully but the copper collector in the UK has had specialist books written

in far greater numbers than any other denomination.

In the 19C Montaqu's Copper coins of England started the trend...Then we had Peck's Epic in the 60's followed by Freemans in the 70's.

All these together with specialists from the 70's have lifted the study of copper and bronze.

Just recently there were 8 distinct varieties for the 1881H farthing issued....my original aim was 1672 to 1956 in 1/4d's but recently I've been shot out of water due to new varieties being listed....(Spink et al eventually catch up).

There are also 8 published varieties of the 1721 1/4d ....I have the commonest in VF+ and the rarest in fine.

I am tending to move over to hammered because each coin is practically unique.

Overall I love my hobby and confess I have recently embarked on a US type set and full cent collection....but the US price for some cents cough....However I just found a 1875 IHC I bought not knowing about it a couple of years back....from an antique centre...where all his coins are £1 or £1.50.

Although I'm a copper collector its a not series I have studied in detail.

I've just got "good rimmed examples " of both coins.

Matthew Boulton in 1797 was given the contract to produce these coins.

His mint was based in Soho, Birmingham (not the red light Soho of London).

The presses were operated by steam.

The idea behind the cartwheel coinage was to prevent counterfeiting...previous copper was being melted down and reshaped on thin flans (evasions) and these were being widely excepted by the public.

By 1805 (Battle of Trafalgar..Nelson et al) intrinsic metal value had increased to exceed face value by 30% on cartwheels.

The dies were eventually sold to W Taylor who issued his own collectors editions.

I don't think rusty dies caused the varieties.

The ship,drapery,waves,rocks,sea positions and stops were often altered.

In coin fairs in the UK I have noticed specialist collectors searching out the specimens and the price varience is tremendous for the finer examples.

Its a specialist field.....Pecks reference work covers 50 pages for the coinage of 1797.Hope this helps.

The Cartwheel 2d is thought to have been struck up to 1830 (all dated 1797) with further commerative issues after this.

Peck spent a lot of research on the 1d and 2d cartwheels and there are numerous varieties.

Finding one without an edgeknock is the key.

£1 = nearly 6.5kg

Just a note that an ESC (English Silver Coinage) is finishing in about 8 hrs from this post.8313304247.

currently £2 with worldwide postage £3.

Another Brit.

Welcome PAB....plenty of info and good people here.

Hi guys...especilly you toning freaks.

On UK Ebay look at item 8312267220.

A few big players are also buying..BEWARE.

BU to me is Brilliant Uncirculated which apart from a few marks is exactly that.

The US grading system for Unc (uncirculated) coins narks me.

I'm given a choice of BU,BU gem,Bu Choice Gem MS63 to 70 ......Buy the BU choice gem store it in normal conditions and it becomes UNC.

and slabbing....I would rather give up Numismatics....Try collecting hammered or Greek/Roman (stupid prices abound for newish 200 yr old coins)

RANT OVER

Coin people is still one of my favourites so come on you Brit collectors and lets use it again....I've just showered....3am on a Monday morning and unbearably hot .

I fancy a nice cold beer trouble is .....B*ggar that.

I would marry Tiff for her coin collection....Trouble is I,m already married

and Mrs Peter was very happy with me today in that she can see her Dining table again....I've pushed my luck over the last couple of weeks...Blimey its hot tonight...hence the late post.

I'm putting together a run of US cents and a couple I've found are

1999 with the last tail of the second nine faded (at first glance it looked like 1990)

1953 S I've got 1 with a much lower S.

All the examples are in UNC.

Are these known varieties?

Its on its way.....Our river fishing season starts today...the glorious 16th

3rd July 2005

1,668

14,089

or thereabouts

Beware..over the pond we've noted a few Viking coins minted over the last few years as a sales gimmick (Part of the York experience) being sold as the real thing.

When I dig my next hoard...after the Treasur Trove inquest ...I will sell them Cheaply to my CP buddies.

Not if I see it first Oli

I bet there will be a few of our "toner" boys lurking.